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Post by mrfixit on Feb 8, 2010 18:22:56 GMT -5
At what point do u all think that a misdemeaner poaching charge should turn into a felony poaching charge, or do u think that one can commit enough poaching to be considered a felony. I know a battery charge in Indiana is a misdemeaner unless it can be proven u had intent to harm which then is a felony charge. Same as if a person commits enough crimes they are considered a habitual offender. IMO shouldnt there be a law for habitual poachers. Ppl make mistakes (I have made my share) but at what point do u quit giving a person chances ? The poacher we all started talkin about in this thread has been convicted of poachin before and now is charged with takin 34 deer and 2 turkeys so at what point or any point do u feel like the man should be considered a "habitual offender" or be charged w/ felony poaching ? IMO I think if u are charged w/ poachin and u serve ur time or pay ur fines whatever u have to do and change then u shouldnt have any lastin effects from it but if a person consistently poaches has been convicted of it b4 and takes a large numner of deer or turkeys (any game for that matter) at some point they should be considered a felon or habitual offender and possibly face the loss of their firearm privleges. When the state or federal government has agreed that certain crimes such as felonies, violent crimes, or gun crimes result in loss of 2nd amendment rights then I think habitual poaching should also be considered as the same. I dont like the fact any one can lose their amendment rights period but since there are crimes u can be convicted of that result in that loss then poachin should also be considered one of those crimes ! SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT U BEING BAN DRS< GUESS THAT JUST LEAVES U MORE TIME TO BE WITH US HERE ! Then charge the man with being a habitual offender and see if a jury convicts him. If so then your dilemma is all over, he now has a felony record. Based on the news report how do you know the man wasn't hunting deer and turkey for food? Maybe he doesn't have job or maybe he does but he's paying support on several kids and needs the meat to eat. There may be a whole lot to the story we aren't getting. A man is innocent until proven guilty.
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Post by Decatur on Feb 8, 2010 18:34:46 GMT -5
At what point do u all think that a misdemeaner poaching charge should turn into a felony poaching charge, or do u think that one can commit enough poaching to be considered a felony. I know a battery charge in Indiana is a misdemeaner unless it can be proven u had intent to harm which then is a felony charge. Same as if a person commits enough crimes they are considered a habitual offender. IMO shouldnt there be a law for habitual poachers. Ppl make mistakes (I have made my share) but at what point do u quit giving a person chances ? The poacher we all started talkin about in this thread has been convicted of poachin before and now is charged with takin 34 deer and 2 turkeys so at what point or any point do u feel like the man should be considered a "habitual offender" or be charged w/ felony poaching ? IMO I think if u are charged w/ poachin and u serve ur time or pay ur fines whatever u have to do and change then u shouldnt have any lastin effects from it but if a person consistently poaches has been convicted of it b4 and takes a large numner of deer or turkeys (any game for that matter) at some point they should be considered a felon or habitual offender and possibly face the loss of their firearm privleges. When the state or federal government has agreed that certain crimes such as felonies, violent crimes, or gun crimes result in loss of 2nd amendment rights then I think habitual poaching should also be considered as the same. I dont like the fact any one can lose their amendment rights period but since there are crimes u can be convicted of that result in that loss then poachin should also be considered one of those crimes ! SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT U BEING BAN DRS< GUESS THAT JUST LEAVES U MORE TIME TO BE WITH US HERE ! Then charge the man with being a habitual offender and see if a jury convicts him. If so then your dilemma is all over, he now has a felony record. Based on the news report how do you know the man wasn't hunting deer and turkey for food? That is irrelevent. A law is a law. What if he needed food so bad he broke into your house to steal food, guns, TV's etc.? There is tons of public assistance out there, there is no need to steal, whether it's money or wildlife he's stealing, it's still theft!
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 8, 2010 18:52:58 GMT -5
If it's stealing then shouldn't he be charged with theft instead of poaching? While morally it is close to the same it's two completely different things legally. And there isn't much "public assistance" out there if your single man paying support. Some judges leave men without much money to support themselves. While it hasn't ever happened to me however I have worked with guys that only had a couple hundred bucks a week after support to pay for everything with no public assistance available. I would be far more forgiving to someone in that situation poaching deer than I would someone in that position breaking into homes and stealing from people to supplement their income to be able to eat.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Feb 8, 2010 20:11:34 GMT -5
Paying support, providing food, whatever the reason he has 34 untagged deer heads and has been (from the artical) found guilty of poachin before. I really dont care what he did or didnt do, I am simply using the examples given to ask when do we stop givin poachers chances to change ? How many animals can a person poach b4 they are actually convicted of a crime and pay severe consequences where maybe others will think twice b4 poachin themselves ? IDK all the details of why that particular person poached or didnt poach but under the given details my only point is he should be convicted as a habitual offender and be charged as a felon. Y is it that a poacher can comit a crime using a firearm and not lose his rights to owna firearm but someone that uses a gun to hold up a convient store loses theirs. And yes I know there is a big difference between killin a deer and holdin up a store but a LAW IS A LAW no matter which ones are broken. So I dont think that if u poach u should not be charged and convicted of a crime. WHERE in the artical did it say anything about the man tryin to provide food for his family and havin to pay support, seriously ? That is the problem is that the government has deamed it illegal to poach animals but at the same time they are just that, "far more forgiving" ! Poachers shouldnt get off easy just becuz it seems o be less of a crime than breakin into a house, or holdin up a store. ITS STILL ILLEGAL !!!!
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 9, 2010 6:00:00 GMT -5
All I'm saying is you people read a 10 paragraph article on a online newspaper that says the man was caught poaching 34 deer and had a previous in 95 {15 years go!} and your ready to hang him high and take all his rights without really knowing any of the circumstances. I don't like poachers anymore than any of you but in the big picture he could have been doing things a lot worse. No wonder our justice system is all screwed up and our prisons are overflowing to the point the people that really need to be there are being released. People whine and whine about gun control but the minute someone does something they don't agree with those very same people are ready to take his guns. Take the mans guns and see how long it is before they come after yours for a lot less. You can't have it both ways forever.
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 9, 2010 6:15:34 GMT -5
Paying support, providing food, whatever the reason he has 34 untagged deer heads and has been (from the artical) found guilty of poachin before. I really dont care what he did or didnt do, I am simply using the examples given to ask when do we stop givin poachers chances to change ? How many animals can a person poach b4 they are actually convicted of a crime and pay severe consequences where maybe others will think twice b4 poachin themselves ? IDK all the details of why that particular person poached or didnt poach but under the given details my only point is he should be convicted as a habitual offender and be charged as a felon. Y is it that a poacher can comit a crime using a firearm and not lose his rights to owna firearm but someone that uses a gun to hold up a convient store loses theirs. And yes I know there is a big difference between killin a deer and holdin up a store but a LAW IS A LAW no matter which ones are broken. So I dont think that if u poach u should not be charged and convicted of a crime. WHERE in the artical did it say anything about the man tryin to provide food for his family and havin to pay support, seriously ? That is the problem is that the government has deamed it illegal to poach animals but at the same time they are just that, "far more forgiving" ! Poachers shouldnt get off easy just becuz it seems o be less of a crime than breakin into a house, or holdin up a store. ITS STILL ILLEGAL !!!! I see your point but I'm somewhat confused. Please don't take this the wrong way but here it goes. What you did was illegal and yet your claiming because of extenuating circumstances you should be found innocent. In some opinions what you done was far far worse than someone poaching. Do you see what I'm saying? You molested a 16 year old girl whom you believed to be older and want some breaks because "you didn't know" but yet in your post above you state a crime is a crime? Well if a crime is a crime then do your time and take whatever goes with it. You need to sell all of your guns and never buy anymore because what you done is a felony. Practice what you preach. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. We are supposed to feel sorry for you because you didn't know and all those things that added up to a perfect storm that wrecked your life but hang this guy high for far less crime?? Remember, what you done was " STILL ILLEGAL"
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Post by Decatur on Feb 9, 2010 7:00:52 GMT -5
This one has ran it's course I believe.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 9, 2010 8:16:08 GMT -5
This one has ran it's course I believe. Yep... Thanks for the lock WW
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