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Post by greghopper on Feb 22, 2010 21:45:24 GMT -5
Is It true.... Indiana has surpassed both Illinois,and Iowa,for an overall ranking of #3 in the midwest.....Quotable QDMA:
“In discussions about
the ‘I’ states, Indiana
often takes a back
seat to neighboring
Illinois and Iowa,
but the Hoosier state
outranked them in
our analysis"www.qdma.com/pdfs/WhitetailReport2010.pdfTWO THUMBS UP FOR THE ONE BUCK RULE!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 22, 2010 22:23:14 GMT -5
Did you actually read the report?
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 23, 2010 8:06:58 GMT -5
From the QDMA 2010 deer report……..
(WW - "...an arbitrary system" .....")
This report is NOT about big bucks, it is about DEER MANAGEMENT.
Indiana is number 3 in the Midwest in the criteria that QDMA uses to judge DEER MANAGEMENT, not growing big bucks. Isn’t that what QDMA is supposed to be all about, DEER MANAGEMENT? Only a part of that has to do with the age of the bucks. Even in that we are not near as good as some people would like to say we are.
From the Indiana Deer Report In 2008 – “About 40% of the antlered bucks and 38% of the adult does harvested during 2008 were yearlings.
The QDMA report said that 41% is AVERAGE for 2008.
Indiana is now (2009) at 36% of the harvest being yearling bucks. The QDMA doesn’t have the 2009 figures yet.
A portion of the QDMA report on percentage of yearly kill –
I’ve said all along that Indiana’s drop in yearling buck kill was not just an Indiana phenomenon and that it was happening all over the country. Deer hunters are getting older, more experienced and becoming more selective - nationwide.
NOW – Let’s look at ALL the top 15 state's "scores" per the QDMA's "arbitrary system" -
1) Kansas - 15 points
2) Mississippi - 13 points
3) Missouri - 10 points
4) Vermont - 9.5 points
5) Arkansas - 9.3 points
6) Georgia – 8 points
7) South Carolina – 7 points
8) Pennsylvania - 7 points
9) Rhode Island - 7 points
10) Virginia – 7 points
11) Delaware - 6.5 points
12)Louisiana - 6.3 points
13) Indiana - 5.5 points
14) Nebraska - 5 points
15) Wisconsin – 5 points
Whoa! Number 13 out of 15… Hmmm?
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Post by kodiak50 on Feb 23, 2010 8:22:56 GMT -5
I thought the number three ranking sounded a little far fetched
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Post by greghopper on Feb 23, 2010 12:34:37 GMT -5
I thought the number three ranking sounded a little far fetched (a quote from the report) "We selected the top five states for each of the four variables and awarded points as follows: 5 points for first place, 4 points for second place, 3 points for third place, 2 points for fourth place, and 1 point for fifth place. A perfect score would be 20 points (4 first place finishes at 5 points each = 20 points). We then totaled the scores and ranked the top 5 states for each region. In case of a tied score we used the percentage of WMUs at goal (Number 1 above) as the tiebreaker since QDM is first and foremost about balancing the deer herd with the habitat." "Drum roll please. In the Midwest, Kansas claimed the top spot with 15 points, followed by Missouri (10), Indiana (5.5), Nebraska (5) and Wisconsin (5). Kansas finished first in three of four categories,and Missouri was one of only two states, in any region, to place in the top five for every category. In discussions about the “I” states, Indiana often takes a back seat to neighboring Illinois and Iowa, but the Hoosier state outranked them in our analysis. Nebraska and Wisconsin tied with 5 points, but Nebraska won the tiebreaker by having 39 percent of WMUs at goal while Wisconsin had 33 percent. Kansas is well known for its big bucks, and now it can also be recognized as a state with an overall successful deer management program. Congratulations to Lloyd Fox, Big Game Program Coordinator, and his team at the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks. Also, congratulations to deer biologist Lonnie Hansen and his colleagues at the Missouri Department of Conservation." |
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Post by mrfixit on Feb 23, 2010 13:24:14 GMT -5
So this is the magic bullet you been waiting for to prove the "one buck rule" is working?
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Post by racktracker on Feb 23, 2010 13:27:05 GMT -5
The KING of copy and paste…why did he pick and choose what to copy and paste?
We are 3rd in the Midwest that had a down year.
Antlered Buck Harvest
With respect to antlered buck harvest, 2008 was a good year for most states in the Northeast and Southeast but a tough one for the Midwest…………………….
The Midwest harvested 1,047,153 antlered bucks in 2008, an 8 percent decline from 2007. Many states in the Midwest had a tough year as seven of 13 (54 percent) shot fewer antlered bucks in 2008. The average decrease was substantial at 11 percent, and it ranged from -5 percent in Iowa to -19 percent in Wisconsin.
Numerically, Wisconsin shot 31,635 fewer bucks, Missouri took 20,567 less (-17 percent), Michigan
tallied 19,079 less (-7 percent), Minnesota shot 13,000 fewer (-12 percent), and even Illinois shot
9,543 fewer bucks (-12 percent). On the plus side, Kentucky shot 4,952 additional bucks (+10
percent), and Ohio hunters shot 2,314 more bucks (+3 percent). South Dakota shot nearly equal
numbers in 2007 and 2008, and Indiana, Kansas and Nebraska all shot 3 to 5 percent more bucks
in 2008.
Hmmm. Indiana, Kansas and Nebraska were in the top four in teh midwast.
GH,
No comment on 13th out of 15 states?? The only states that we beat over all was the two that we beat in the "down year of the Midwest".
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Post by greghopper on Feb 23, 2010 14:55:44 GMT -5
The KING of copy and paste…why did he pick and choose what to copy and paste? We are 3rd in the Midwest that had a down year. Antlered Buck Harvest With respect to antlered buck harvest, 2008 was a good year for most states in the Northeast and Southeast but a tough one for the Midwest……………………. The Midwest harvested 1,047,153 antlered bucks in 2008, an 8 percent decline from 2007. Many states in the Midwest had a tough year as seven of 13 (54 percent) shot fewer antlered bucks in 2008. The average decrease was substantial at 11 percent, and it ranged from -5 percent in Iowa to -19 percent in Wisconsin. Numerically, Wisconsin shot 31,635 fewer bucks, Missouri took 20,567 less (-17 percent), Michigan tallied 19,079 less (-7 percent), Minnesota shot 13,000 fewer (-12 percent), and even Illinois shot 9,543 fewer bucks (-12 percent). On the plus side, Kentucky shot 4,952 additional bucks (+10 percent), and Ohio hunters shot 2,314 more bucks (+3 percent). South Dakota shot nearly equal numbers in 2007 and 2008, and Indiana, Kansas and Nebraska all shot 3 to 5 percent more bucksin 2008. Hmmm. Indiana, Kansas and Nebraska were in the top four in teh midwast. GH, No comment on 13th out of 15 states?? The only states that we beat over all was the two that we beat in the "down year of the Midwest". I see you have resorted to name calling....  ...go figure!!! as for the 13th out of 15 states......That's something Woody put together....QDMA has it broken down in "Regions"!!! Wonder why... Yes the Midwest harvest was down and we still Ranked #3 in our Region  QDMA’s Top-Five
Stat es in Deer
Management Success
by RegionMidwest1. Kansas 2. Missouri 3. Indiana 4. Nebraska 5. Wisconsin Northeast1. Vermont 2. Pennsylvania 3. Rhode Island 4. Virginia 5. Delaware Southeast1. Mississippi 2. Arkansas 3. Georgia 4. South Carolina 5. Louisiana |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 23, 2010 16:10:09 GMT -5
as for the 13th out of 15 states......That's something Woody put together....QDMA has it broken down in "Regions"!!! Wonder why... Yes the Midwest harvest was down and we still Ranked #3 in our Region Did they not use the same "arbitrary system" scoring for all states? No, I didn't "put that together". That was what they had in the report. The top 15 and we finsished 13th. Not much to brag about there, eh? |
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Post by duff on Feb 23, 2010 19:56:28 GMT -5
Much to do about nothing.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 23, 2010 20:36:23 GMT -5
as for the 13th out of 15 states......That's something Woody put together....QDMA has it broken down in "Regions"!!! Wonder why... Yes the Midwest harvest was down and we still Ranked #3 in our Region Did they not use the same "arbitrary system" scoring for all states? No, I didn't "put that together". That was what they had in the report. The top 15 and we finsished 13th. Not much to brag about there, eh? What page is the 1 though 15 listed on....not seeing that |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 23, 2010 20:48:04 GMT -5
Did they not use the same "arbitrary system" scoring for all states? No, I didn't "put that together". That was what they had in the report. The top 15 and we finsished 13th. Not much to brag about there, eh? What page is the 1 though 15 listed on....not seeing that Same page you got the "we're in third place ... RAH! RAH! RAH! from. Go back over to HH and listen to PAV... |
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Post by huxbux on Feb 23, 2010 20:52:54 GMT -5
Lots of scoring, numbers, rankings and such. Is this what deer hunting has been reduced to for some for some people? How can anyone who does this possibly enjoy it?
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Post by freedomhunter on Feb 23, 2010 21:31:11 GMT -5
We have achieved much over the last few years. We got a delicate balance going right now, should only get better if we don't screw it up. Wouldn't spend a dollar out-of-state, unless just had to have more than one mature buck. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 23, 2010 21:52:57 GMT -5
What page is the 1 though 15 listed on....not seeing that ... RAH! RAH! RAH! from. Go back over to HH and listen to PAV... That what I figured....there is NO "1 though 15 listing"....you put that together just to discredit any QDM Indiana may have!!!! The QDMA has it listed only in "Regions"!!! ...I guess they had no Quest to discredit anyone |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 23, 2010 22:12:00 GMT -5
Same page you got the "we're in third place ... RAH! RAH! RAH! from. Go back over to HH and listen to PAV... That what I figured....there is NO "1 though 15 listing"....you put that together just to discredit any QDM Indiana may have!!!! The QDMA has it listed only in "Regions"!!! ...I guess they had no Quest to discredit anyone One more time Greg.. Did they not use the same "arbitrary system" scoring for all states? That puts us in 13th place.. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 23, 2010 22:26:07 GMT -5
That what I figured....there is NO "1 though 15 listing"....you put that together just to discredit any QDM Indiana may have!!!! The QDMA has it listed only in "Regions"!!! ...I guess they had no Quest to discredit anyone One more time Greg.. Did they not use the same "arbitrary system" scoring for all states?That puts us in 13th place.. Yes they did....and that put us(Indiana) in 3rd place in the Midwest Region, Per my first post and QDMA's break down of "Regions" And in 13th place per your 1 though 15 list...."You put together" Point taken/Point made....Iam done, carry on go ahead, you can have last say!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2010 19:41:40 GMT -5
I don't know about the QDMA's arbitrary scoring system, or where Indiana should rank. I do know that it was a VERY good year in the Hoosier State for huge bucks. Just look around the web and you will find a TON of them. I don't know why it was a good year. I don't even know if it is an upward trend or just one good year. All I know is that I am really glad I hunt here and I wouldn't trade my hunting spots for anyplace else.
I do have some real concerns that as Indiana's reputation as a big buck state on par with the traditional midwest power states grows (and it is growing...Michael Wadell just called Indiana one of his top two favorite states to hunt), our likelihood of being able to hold onto our hunting spots will shrink.
I worry about the big business leasing companies and outfitters coming in and outbidding us little guys. One of these days, if we aren't careful, opening day of gun season here in Indiana will look like it does in Illinois, where nearly every truck has out of state plates and the locals are fighting over the best spots on public land.
It isn't here yet, but I have real fears that it could be coming.
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Post by huxbux on Feb 24, 2010 21:41:27 GMT -5
I don't know about the QDMA's arbitrary scoring system, or where Indiana should rank. I do know that it was a VERY good year in the Hoosier State for huge bucks. Just look around the web and you will find a TON of them. I don't know why it was a good year. I don't even know if it is an upward trend or just one good year. All I know is that I am really glad I hunt here and I wouldn't trade my hunting spots for anyplace else. I do have some real concerns that as Indiana's reputation as a big buck state on par with the traditional midwest power states grows (and it is growing...Michael Wadell just called Indiana one of his top two favorite states to hunt), our likelihood of being able to hold onto our hunting spots will shrink. I worry about the big business leasing companies and outfitters coming in and outbidding us little guys. One of these days, if we aren't careful, opening day of gun season here in Indiana will look like it does in Illinois, where nearly every truck has out of state plates and the locals are fighting over the best spots on public land. It isn't here yet, but I have real fears that it could be coming. I believe your fears are well grounded. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 25, 2010 9:41:46 GMT -5
To those that think age is the over riding factor in growing big bucks please explain this to me..
Percent 1 1/2 year old bucks in the 2008 kill
Illinois - 41
Indiana - 40
Kansas - 17
Kentucky - 41
Missouri - 58
Ohio - 50
Wisconsin - 53
Now, if the age is the great determining factor then I can understand how Kansas would be cleaning our clocks in number of really big bucks taken, but how about these other states?
We are as good, if not better, than the other states in the percentage of yearling bucks taken, but they consistantly produce bigger bucks than we do.
How can that be?
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...go figure!!!
