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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 21, 2010 19:20:07 GMT -5
Arizona Birther Bill Would Require Obama's Birth Paper By Frank James Arizona is certainly getting attention these days for controversial legislation. While the nation awaits to see if Gov. Jan Brewer signs anti-illegal immigration legislation that would authorize law enforcement officials to check the immigration status of people they stop, the state's House has approved a bill that would require all presidential candidates to prove they were born in the U.S. by producing their birth certificates. The bill was inspired by the questions about President Barack Obama's place of birth raised by so-called "birthers" who argue, unpersuasively to most Americans, that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. and is therefore an illegitimate president. That Hawaiian officials, including the Republican governor, have said the state has documentation proving Obama's Hawaiian birth hasn't satisfied the deniers. www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/04/arizona_birther_bill_would_req.html
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Post by Decatur on Apr 22, 2010 11:04:10 GMT -5
I'm moving to AZ!
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Post by swilk on Apr 22, 2010 12:11:12 GMT -5
What verifiable proof is there that the birth certificate Obama provided isnt real? I admittedly have not kept up with the birther movement ..... but then again i havent really kept up with the 9/11 truthers or the (whatever the folks who dont think we landed on the moon call themselves) movement. Interesting side not ..... a story came out that Hawaii is looking to pass a law that says they dont have to produce Obamas birth certificates every time they are asked for. Seems they are getting tired of repeated requests from people to see the document. www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/21/hawaii-lawmakers-poised-shun-obama-birth-certificate-requests/?loc=interstitialskip |
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Post by Decatur on Apr 22, 2010 14:17:44 GMT -5
Well then, maybe if they produced it once people would quit asking to see it!
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Post by swilk on Apr 22, 2010 14:42:51 GMT -5
They have produced it ....... And actually posted a picture of it on the internet for all to see.
I wonder why are some folks reluctant to accept the evidence that has been offered?
Seems pretty significant to me ..... an actual document that has been examined and deemed authentic and newspaper articles from 1961 announcing the birth.
Not saying those couldnt be faked ...... I am just asking what proof there is of the scam? Other than the "he is muslim .... and black ... and has big ears .... and he went to church with a crazy guy as his pastor .... ". Those are all very entertaining but not really what I would call credible contradictions to the evidence offered by Obama.
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Post by Decatur on Apr 22, 2010 15:52:53 GMT -5
I'm not a birther, it just seems like it would be so easy to quell these rumors, yet they fail to do so. It makes it look like they are trying to hide something.
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Post by swilk on Apr 22, 2010 16:16:25 GMT -5
How are they failing to do so? They have produced the birth certificate .....
Do you believe the certificate they have produced is authentic?
Just because every tom Dick and harry that has demanded to see it for themselves hasnt been granted their wish does not make it any less real. I can assure you if you demanded to hold and examine the Constitution they would simply ignore you. Would that make it any less real?
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Post by crazybuck on Apr 26, 2010 21:11:32 GMT -5
How are they failing to do so? They have produced the birth certificate ..... Do you believe the certificate they have produced is authentic? Just because every tom Dick and harry that has demanded to see it for themselves hasnt been granted their wish does not make it any less real. I can assure you if you demanded to hold and examine the Constitution they would simply ignore you. Would that make it any less real? Who verified that the document was authentic? Was it both Democrats and Republicans or was it someone in the Obama administration? Whose word are you taking? Why is it he won't let anyone examine his college records? I would think if you were expected to be President of this country, you could be expected to answer to the people. I don't think it would be a stretch to believe a person might not be born in the US if he was fathered by a Kenyon and his mother spent a lot of time out of this country. I am not saying he isn't a citizen, but I am not gullible enough to just take anyones word. I think he also attended some college overseas and had to be a citizen of that country to be accepted. Anybody that lived under the name of Barry Soetoro the first seventeen years of his life and then took his muslim name should be scrutinized even more. |
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Post by swilk on Apr 27, 2010 7:20:47 GMT -5
The Hawaii Director of Health. She was a past contributor to the Hawaii GOP.
I would love to hear or see some concrete evidence to the contrary but in the last 2 + years all there has been is foil hat rhetoric.
Like I said earlier .... not giving in to the silly requests of the foil hat mob does not make things less real.
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Post by swilk on Apr 27, 2010 7:23:59 GMT -5
Have you gone to Hawaii and personally asked to see the document?
Seems since Hawaii is contemplating passing a law about it ..... you might actually be able to see it if you personally go and ask. Complaining about not being able to see something when a person hasnt even put forth the effort to actually see it seems kind of odd.
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Post by crazybuck on Apr 27, 2010 7:47:47 GMT -5
The Hawaii Director of Health. She was a past contributor to the Hawaii GOP. I would love to hear or see some concrete evidence to the contrary but in the last 2 + years all there has been is foil hat rhetoric. Like I said earlier .... not giving in to the silly requests of the foil hat mob does not make things less real. Like I said a Presidential Candidates/President should be subject to more scrutiny and has always been in the past. Past Presidents have been forced to give up their Health Records and other Private information. I don't think he gave his health records up, but I won't swear to that. What you call silly would be considered to a Private Investigator in an investigation, fair game. This whole thing could be quelled without too much expense. Obama is spending more dollars trying to block any one that wants to look at the records. Hawaii is contemplating passing a law to keep lawyers from obtaining this document. Lawyers could probably get access to mine or yours. |
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Post by swilk on Apr 27, 2010 7:51:05 GMT -5
Have you gone to personally look at the document? You have previously said you arent gullible enough to take anothers word that it is authentic ..... so I assume you have personally gone to see it?
Every argument you have made is nothing more than foil hat non-sense. You say you arent gullible enough to believe anothers account of if the certificate is real or not yet you are believing every bit of printed non-sense put out that goes along with your beliefs in this matter.
A state official from Hawaii verified the certificate is real. Unless you have some evidence to the contrary the game is over. he doesnt have to do anything else. He satisfied the requirements.
Get over it.
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Post by crazybuck on Apr 27, 2010 8:14:43 GMT -5
This is kind of like the Bernie Madoff case. He was licensed, professional, respected amongst top professionals, looked at by government officials (the SEC) several times and he took all the gullible people to the cleaners and cleaned their clocks. Tell all these people that got scammed to get over it. There is no evidence to the contrary, because Obamas lawyers are keeping people from investigating it. Why should I go, when there are lawyers going who can't see it?
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 27, 2010 8:19:21 GMT -5
My only doubt on the authenticity of the produced "birth certificate" is the designation of his father's race.
In the 60s NO ONE called blacks "Africans". The designation of race for blacks in those days was Negro.
African is not a race. There are lots of white Africans
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Post by swilk on Apr 27, 2010 8:19:23 GMT -5
Woody, do you know where your original birth certificate is?
My father does not ..... My mother is adopted and im pretty sure her original documents are not all that original either.
Im pretty sure I have mine .... but I was born in the 70's.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 27, 2010 8:54:03 GMT -5
Woody, do you know where your original birth certificate is? My father does not ..... My mother is adopted and im pretty sure her original documents are not all that original either. Im pretty sure I have mine .... but I was born in the 70's. Mine is in my safe deposit box in the bank. The one in Obama's case is some sort of "Certificate of Live birth". Not sure if that is the same thing or not. Like I said the only question I have is the race stated of the father. Being around in the 60s I can guarantee you no one then called blacks "Africans" - legal or other wise. |
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Post by swilk on Apr 27, 2010 9:07:18 GMT -5
I dont think that calling blacks just African has ever been normal.
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Post by crazybuck on Apr 27, 2010 9:59:36 GMT -5
You would have thought it would have been Negro instead of African. I just think the question could be easily quelled by letting Congress specifying an Independent review of the document. He is touting the document as his birth certificate. There are trained independent people who could verify it authenticity, not just a State Official who probably wasn't there at his birth. Why wouldn't he want to clear it up, once and for all. I guess you have never heard about all the spies that have falsified documents and worked in various positions in the US and were trusted until they were found out. These spies got documentation and authorization to decieve the American Government. I don't see it as being that far fetched. We are talking Blagosphere here. Look at all the radicals Obama has surrounded hisself with.
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Post by swilk on Apr 27, 2010 13:58:20 GMT -5
There is nothing to clear up. He satisfied all the requirements to become president .... end of story.
He is ignoring the nuts ..... I would too.
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Post by crazybuck on Apr 27, 2010 14:38:30 GMT -5
Bernie Madoff didn't have anything to clear up until he turned hisself in. Those who lossed their life savings will be aprehensive next time. Madoff satisfied all the requirements of an investment professional but led all the gullible sheep around. Apparently he hasn't satisfied all of the American people.
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