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Post by hunter7x on May 26, 2010 7:17:16 GMT -5
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Post by hunter7x on May 26, 2010 7:19:59 GMT -5
A few of the highlights.
Here are some reasons why deer hunters should be more optimistic than ever:
¡ Whitetails make up 34 percent (1,708) of the 4,987 trophies qualifying for the B&Cfs current triennial Big Game Awards; its 27th scoring period.
¡ Of the nearly 37,800 entries in B&Cfs all-time record books, almost 7,100 (18.75 percent) are typical-antlered whitetails.
¡ From 2000 to 2009, hunters registered 4,423 whitetail bucks with B&C, the most recorded by the club in any decade.
¡ Those 4,423 trophy bucks from 2000-09 make up nearly 40 percent of all whitetails in the clubfs book.
¡ That 2000-2009 cohort is a 31 percent increase from the 3,387 B&C whitetails registered in the 1990s.
¡ Further, the 1990-99 totals (3,387) were only 17 bucks fewer than all the B&C whitetails recorded prior to 1990 (3,404).
Eight states showed skin-stretching growth for B&C entries in 2000-2009, led by Indianafs 127 percent increase from 106 to 241, and Ohiofs 101 percent increase from 154 to 309. The other statesf totals grew as follows:
¡ Illinois, up 31 percent, 412 to 539
¡ Wisconsin, up 59 percent, 292 to 464
¡ Kentucky, up 62.5 percent, 192 to 312
¡ Missouri, up 53 percent, 186 to 285
¡ Kansas, up 48 percent, 174 to 257
¡ Minnesota, up 15 percent, 168 to 193
Only Saskatchewan had fewer Booners (256) the past 10 years than in the 1990s (264). Iowa increased from 347 to 349.
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Post by tickman1961 on May 26, 2010 8:48:08 GMT -5
Monsters exist everywhere, the problem is catching sight of the beast... ;D
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Post by vectrix on May 26, 2010 12:11:18 GMT -5
Monsters exist everywhere, the problem is catching sight of the beast... ;D How true! I have hunted for 20 years in some very good spots, urban areas with minimal to no pressure in prime farm/soil area's and have seen 3 deer that I know would make B/C. One was a 200 class non typical that I and another member on this forum saw years ago, it got killed a few days later by a guy named Johnny Wright, its in the HRB. I have taken at least 3 weeks off to deer hunt during the rut each season for 16 years. Another of the three was also a 200 class non typical that I "almost" had a shot at around 5 yrs ago during firearms, the landowners dogs dragged the head with spine attached out of the woods after muzzy season, what a shame. He has the skull hanging in his garage!!!!! |
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Post by RoadKill on May 27, 2010 12:22:26 GMT -5
Interesting - maybe 1 buck rule = more trophies = more non-resident (higher dollar) tags?
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Post by jabba on May 27, 2010 12:49:17 GMT -5
SOMEONE needed to mention the OBR.
OBR detractors will tell you that had NOTHING to do with it though.
Jabba
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Post by huxbux on May 27, 2010 14:14:11 GMT -5
SOMEONE needed to mention the OBR. OBR detractors will tell you that had NOTHING to do with it though. Jabba Most of the OBR detractors I know don't say it has nothing to do with it, they only say that it doesn't prove anything. Huge difference. One has to assume facts not in evidence to present the OBR as proof of anything at all. |
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Post by swilk on May 27, 2010 14:35:49 GMT -5
Agreed.
If more than one variable changes during an experiment it makes determining the true cause of any change almost impossible.
Since the inception of the OBR there have been many changes .... deer numbers, hunter numbers, youth season, PCR's .... I'm sure there are others.
It is impossible for one side of that argument or the other to say with certainty what has and what has not caused the increase of big bucks killed.
Personally I think many factors come into play .... and I think the OBR is one of them.
I will also add ..... even though I am a huge OBR supporter, if the states wildlife biologists and various other folks decide that more population control is needed, and they truly feel that a second buck is an efficient way of reaching whatever goals are set, I would support adding a second buck in one form or another.
Adding that second buck as a carrot to get more hunters to shoot does in a "earn a buck" scenario would be ideal in my mind.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 27, 2010 15:01:28 GMT -5
Agreed. If more than one variable changes during an experiment it makes determining the true cause of any change almost impossible. Since the inception of the OBR there have been many changes .... deer numbers, hunter numbers, youth season, PCR's .... I'm sure there are others. It is impossible for one side of that argument or the other to say with certainty what has and what has not caused the increase of big bucks killed. Personally I think many factors come into play .... and I think the OBR is one of them. I will also add ..... even though I am a huge OBR supporter, if the states wildlife biologists and various other folks decide that more population control is needed, and they truly feel that a second buck is an efficient way of reaching whatever goals are set, I would support adding a second buck in one form or another. Adding that second buck as a carrot to get more hunters to shoot does in a "earn a buck" scenario would be ideal in my mind. Agreed... Deer management is so complex and so many varaiables that for anyone to say it was JUST this or JUST that is only fooling themselves. An EAB will NEVER happen in Indiana. What they can do on the second buck is make it spread antler restricted. Make it 15 inches or outside the ears and that would eliminate a large majority of yearling bucks. |
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Post by vectrix on May 27, 2010 15:14:18 GMT -5
Agreed. If more than one variable changes during an experiment it makes determining the true cause of any change almost impossible. Since the inception of the OBR there have been many changes .... deer numbers, hunter numbers, youth season, PCR's .... I'm sure there are others. It is impossible for one side of that argument or the other to say with certainty what has and what has not caused the increase of big bucks killed. Personally I think many factors come into play .... and I think the OBR is one of them. I will also add ..... even though I am a huge OBR supporter, if the states wildlife biologists and various other folks decide that more population control is needed, and they truly feel that a second buck is an efficient way of reaching whatever goals are set, I would support adding a second buck in one form or another. Adding that second buck as a carrot to get more hunters to shoot does in a "earn a buck" scenario would be ideal in my mind. Agreed... Deer management is so complex and so many varaiables that for anyone to say it was JUST this or JUST that is only fooling themselves. An EAB will NEVER happen in Indiana. What they can do on the second buck is make it spread antler restricted. Make it 15 inches or outside the ears and that would eliminate a large majority of yearling bucks. Yea but can you imagine that? Whoops thought he was 15in. when I shot him running through the brush 80 yds away, oh well not checkin this one in. Trust me, I can't speak for any of you but there are alot of guys in these parts who probably shouldn't be trusted with a firearm let alone smart enough to determine spread. |
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Post by swilk on May 27, 2010 15:17:14 GMT -5
Never have been a fan of the spread rule .... I have a 145" bow killed 11 pointer that is only 13" wide. Obviously he was an exception rather than the norm ........
But .... no system is perfect.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 27, 2010 15:21:22 GMT -5
Never have been a fan of the spread rule .... I have a 145" bow killed 11 pointer that is only 13" wide. Obviously he was an exception rather than the norm ........
But .... no system is perfect. Me niether, but it sure beats a point rule.. Other states do it... |
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Post by swilk on May 27, 2010 15:25:57 GMT -5
Those are the same guys who accidentally shoot a small buck at 80 yards because they thought it was a doe.
I think that making a decision based on the fear of worst case scenario has some merit .... but not as much as some folks might think.
What I mean is .... we cant do telecheck because people will cheat. We cant do a youth buck because people will cheat. we cant do (whatever) because people will cheat.
Im sure there will be cases of abuse in any system but I would like to think they would be minimal. Maybe I am being naive in that one though ....
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Post by deerman1 on May 27, 2010 16:14:56 GMT -5
Lets be honest here the only size,point ,age or spread restrictions that should be out there are only the ones that the hunters self impose or the land owners have on the land thay own period .Becvause another mans dead buck is just that his dead buck and if that buck was shot 10 miles down the road you would never see that buck anyways . State mandated buck restrictions are always a loosers game for the hunters and the state it just causes the death of bubble bucks {those on the size or age bubble } and it drives hunters who just want to kill any deer from the dwindling hunter numbers that we have now .  |
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Post by swilk on May 27, 2010 16:26:31 GMT -5
We arent talking about the first buck .... only the second buck.
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Post by deerman1 on May 27, 2010 17:34:46 GMT -5
We arent talking about the first buck .... only the second buck. I understand that but I still perty much feel the same as if it were just one. I mean I may want to shoot a small or trash little basket buck on my second tag as a management tool . |
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Post by vectrix on May 27, 2010 17:41:30 GMT -5
Those are the same guys who accidentally shoot a small buck at 80 yards because they thought it was a doe. I think that making a decision based on the fear of worst case scenario has some merit .... but not as much as some folks might think. What I mean is .... we cant do telecheck because people will cheat. We cant do a youth buck because people will cheat. we cant do (whatever) because people will cheat. Im sure there will be cases of abuse in any system but I would like to think they would be minimal. Maybe I am being naive in that one though .... Not naive swik you just see the good side maybe more than I do. I don't tend to be be real trustworthy of alot of guys, but I have seen and heard some bad stuff when it comes to poachers. That maybe why I am so opposed to the whole Oct. gun debate. I see a lot of nice "BOW" bucks being taken if thats put in place  |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2010 19:30:11 GMT -5
Note that most states where up in this period, even those without a one buck rule or EAB.....even those states that have never been considered trophy deer states showed increase........IMO, it's related to the direction the sport has taken more so than any management plan or any single factor. Muxh of the success can be giving to a lot of things I se people on here damning a lot of the time. Anyway, looks like it's widespread and very healthy for us hunters.
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Post by vectrix on May 27, 2010 19:36:18 GMT -5
Note that most states where up in this period, even those without a one buck rule or EAB.....even those states that have never been considered trophy deer states showed increase........IMO, it's related to the direction the sport has taken more so than any management plan or any single factor. Muxh of the success can be giving to a lot of things I se people on here damning a lot of the time. Anyway, looks like it's widespread and very healthy for us hunters. May have a point there. The last few years guys that have it are using more restraint than in years past. Some guys will never be able to let a buck walk but I think for those patient hunters who the rewards are starting to show. |
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Post by ridgerunner on May 28, 2010 16:19:16 GMT -5
Yeah for eons Indiana has never seen a rise like this in the number of quality bucks being harvested , and frankly Indiana has sucked for producing Big Bucks...now the past ten years we have seen and documented a dramatic increase in the quality of bucks roaming the State.....OBR has been in effect about 10 years, not quite yet, but close...and yet some will say OBR has nothing to do with it....for myself....I have 15 years of documented deer photos from numerous cameras, and from those photo's there has also been a dramatic increase in quality deer I've captured on camera in the past ten years.....must be a coincidence..Common sense tells me different...but common sense isn't so common anymore.
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