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Post by huntd711 on Jan 4, 2012 8:51:31 GMT -5
Ok, to clarify some confusion on the crossbow thing...When crossbows were first allowed, it was only for someone who was handicapped and that was it. A few years ago, the DNR changed it to allow crossbows to be used only during late archery season. THERE IS NO EXTRA LICENSE TO BUY FOR A CROSSBOW. A crossbow during archery season is the same as using a muzzleloader or handgun during firearms season. The license is the same, it's just a different form of the weapons allowed during that season. Now, what the proposal was and I do believe got passed was that the crossbow is now allowed during early archery season too. No other changes have occurred and no other license to purchase.
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 4, 2012 9:06:51 GMT -5
Ok, to clarify some confusion on the crossbow thing...When crossbows were first allowed, it was only for someone who was handicapped and that was it. A few years ago, the DNR changed it to allow crossbows to be used only during late archery season. THERE IS NO EXTRA LICENSE TO BUY FOR A CROSSBOW. A crossbow during archery season is the same as using a muzzleloader or handgun during firearms season. The license is the same, it's just a different form of the weapons allowed during that season. Now, what the proposal was and I do believe got passed was that the crossbow is now allowed during early archery season too. No other changes have occurred and no other license to purchase. With the new deer changes they included a new crossbow license that you must purchase to use a crossbow. Per Woody's post, the bundled license would eliminate the need to buy that crossbow license as all legal weapons are allowed under the bundled license.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 4, 2012 9:08:40 GMT -5
Ok, to clarify some confusion on the crossbow thing...When crossbows were first allowed, it was only for someone who was handicapped and that was it. A few years ago, the DNR changed it to allow crossbows to be used only during late archery season. THERE IS NO EXTRA LICENSE TO BUY FOR A CROSSBOW. A crossbow during archery season is the same as using a muzzleloader or handgun during firearms season. The license is the same, it's just a different form of the weapons allowed during that season. Now, what the proposal was and I do believe got passed was that the crossbow is now allowed during early archery season too. No other changes have occurred and no other license to purchase. Partly right... Crossbowers, both the physicllly challenged (since 1986) and the late season non-physically challenged crossbowers have always used an archery license to hunt and kill deer. If we took a deer we did have to declare that it was taken with a crossbow. That did change with this newly adopted proposal. Although crossbowers are hunting in all of archery seaosn we now have to use a newly established crossbow license OR the newly established bundle license. The anti-crossbow "organized huntng groups" have always said that "get a crossbow license and then establish their own season". Part of their erroneous thinking was that the legisalture had to establsh a new hunting license thus putting it off almost yearly and if ever passed they could then point and say,"See, the crossbows are not archery and should not be in the archery season". An officer in the IBA made the mistake of posting that on a website. Wel-l-l-l The DNR went one up on them and said, " OK, we will make a crossbow license, but we will put them in all of the archery season." Done deal... IMO - the "crossbow license" is an appeasement compromise and a VERY small revenue source. The crossbow license will only effect the bowhunter that uses both a vertical bow and a crossbow. If one buys "the bundle" they can use ANY hunting tool that is in season. That means the bowhunter can swap the vertical bow for the crossbow any day that they chose.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 4, 2012 10:02:42 GMT -5
The WORD back from the DNR...If they purchase a deer license bundle, they will not need to purchase a crossbow license to hunt in the regular firearm, muzzleloader, archery, or special antlerless only seasons. I asked about a License FAQ or any other communication and the DNR sent back –I do know that a full deer hunting guide (that is actually printed and mailed to license retailers) and FAQs are all planned. Public meetings are also being discussed, but I don't know for sure at this point on those. The disability permit to use a crossbow is no longer needed. We need a little time to get all of this on the web now that they are now in effect. Woody, any comment on Urban Zone and the bundle from our DNR folks? They did not say,....but my guess it applies there too. I will ask though..
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Post by firstwd on Jan 4, 2012 10:02:51 GMT -5
I'm glad the DNR is starting in the right direction, but the "Bundle" only benefits those who hunt multiple seasons. If a hunter is a gun season only hunter then it would be cheaper to buy licenses separately like before. Now if the OBR goes away and this bundle is still in effect, then one could buy the bundle to start the season and not buy the second antlered license until they filled their bundle tag. That too would save those hunters money by not having to purchase a license for all three seasons and thus possibly eliminating unused tags.
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 4, 2012 10:14:49 GMT -5
crossbows are NOT allowed in early archery.
THEY ARE ALLOWED IN CROSSBOW SEASON...which happens to coincide with archery season LOL
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Post by trapperdave on Jan 4, 2012 10:20:38 GMT -5
I'm glad the DNR is starting in the right direction, but the "Bundle" only benefits those who hunt multiple seasons. If a hunter is a gun season only hunter then it would be cheaper to buy licenses separately like before. Now if the OBR goes away and this bundle is still in effect, then one could buy the bundle to start the season and not buy the second antlered license until they filled their bundle tag. That too would save those hunters money by not having to purchase a license for all three seasons and thus possibly eliminating unused tags. the bundle will cost the one season hunter $3 extra. i.e., an archer buyus one reg tag, $24, and two bonus antlerless, 1@24 and 1@$15 for a total of $63. The bundle is $65 and lets you use gun n muzzy too.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 4, 2012 10:38:50 GMT -5
I'm glad the DNR is starting in the right direction, but the "Bundle" only benefits those who hunt multiple seasons. If a hunter is a gun season only hunter then it would be cheaper to buy licenses separately like before. Now if the OBR goes away and this bundle is still in effect, then one could buy the bundle to start the season and not buy the second antlered license until they filled their bundle tag. That too would save those hunters money by not having to purchase a license for all three seasons and thus possibly eliminating unused tags. the bundle will cost the one season hunter $3 extra. i.e., an archer buyus one reg tag, $24, and two bonus antlerless, 1@24 and 1@$15 for a total of $63. The bundle is $65 and lets you use gun n muzzy too. As see it... If one is multi- season hunter and bought buck tags for each season it would be: Archery - $24 Firearm - $24 Muzzleloader - $24 First bonus tag - $24 Second bonus tag - $15 Total - $111 Now - Basically a hunter buys the two bonus tags for $39 plus a $24 buck tag good for ONLY one season - $63. Proposed - He can buy the two bonus tags for $39 AND a buck tag for $26 that is good for ALL seasons.. - $65
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 4, 2012 12:07:59 GMT -5
Anyone else see that this bundle is not condusive to a two buck rule?
Another reason we will not see a TBR back...
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jan 4, 2012 13:50:13 GMT -5
Add a few bucks & include tele-check in the bundle...........
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Post by joeyb on Jan 4, 2012 14:51:01 GMT -5
I think this bundle is great. I'll be purchasing it. Get it done with in September before season starts, and eliminates the Opener Eve scramble to get a license. Plus I'll have doe tags. I never buy a doe tag for firearms season.
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Post by jordanffemt on Jan 4, 2012 15:06:27 GMT -5
Glad I bought a Lifetime.
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 4, 2012 18:17:47 GMT -5
Anyone else see that this bundle is not condusive to a two buck rule? Another reason we will not see a TBR back... I guess I am not seeing how this wouldn't work with TBR?? I am thinking an extra buck license to be bought after using your bundle license buck tag.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 4, 2012 18:24:35 GMT -5
Anyone else see that this bundle is not condusive to a two buck rule? Another reason we will not see a TBR back... I guess I am not seeing how this wouldn't work with TBR?? I am thinking an extra buck license to be bought after using your bundle license buck tag. Yes, you are right. There would have to be another license purchase.. A purchase that the DNR is missing out on..
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 4, 2012 18:32:23 GMT -5
I guess I am not seeing how this wouldn't work with TBR?? I am thinking an extra buck license to be bought after using your bundle license buck tag. Yes, you are right. There would have to be another license purchase.. A purchase that the DNR is missing out on.. Based on that report they provided it sounds like OBR will be with us for some time to come.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 4, 2012 19:09:55 GMT -5
Yes, you are right. There would have to be another license purchase.. A purchase that the DNR is missing out on.. Based on that report they provided it sounds like OBR will be with us for some time to come. I'm still waiting on the survey itself...but I do know that a full 39% of the respondees were single season deer hunters that had absolutely nothing to lose by keeping the OBR. 39% can skew a survey big time, right? .
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Post by huntd711 on Jan 4, 2012 19:30:57 GMT -5
I'm with jordanffemt, glad I bought a lifetime license! Leave it to the IDNR to make something complicated and cause mass confusion that otherwise shouldn't be!
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Post by treetop on Jan 4, 2012 19:33:32 GMT -5
I like it and in the end I think most people will in time I know there is but most people dont take 3 deer a year anyway
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 4, 2012 19:54:45 GMT -5
Based on that report they provided it sounds like OBR will be with us for some time to come. I'm still waiting on the survey itself...but I do know that a full 39% of the respondees were single season deer hunters that had absolutely nothing to lose by keeping the OBR. 39% can skew a survey big time, right? . Agreed. I am no math wiz and I didn't stay at Holiday inn express last night but in my thinking 39% could have a big impact.
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Post by deweydutchmen on Jan 4, 2012 20:06:42 GMT -5
They could survey another39% and get the same result.
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