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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 10:58:19 GMT -5
Still waiting on an appropriate synonym for elitist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 11:01:10 GMT -5
Here you go. Pick out something nice and replace it with our humble apologies:D
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 11:08:51 GMT -5
Still waiting on an appropriate synonym for elitist. Hope you arent waiting on me....I never implied that I was going to provide one. Don't lump everyone in together so I don't need words for the lump.....
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 4, 2014 11:13:57 GMT -5
I did not read it wrong..... Nice job on the name calling though.....I know it couldn't have been directed at me but to those it was directed at it wasn't very nice. Does the use of that word put you in the "slob" group the other side always mentions? No, contrary to your understanding the crossbow license was what was given so the groups that fought crossbows in archery season would claim they won a small victory and could still claim superiority on their method choice. Absolutely no other reason. You see crossbowers used an archery license since 1986 ( both physically challenged and non-physically challenged) so all of a sudden it needed its own license? Oh yes the bowhunter clan does have a small group that thinks they are way above and beyond all other hunters. The same folks want it all. They want the pre-rut and rut all to themselves. We see it all the time. Yep, chest thumping self appointed elitists. Thankfully they are in a minority. As far as who it is directed at it goes with the old saying - If the shoe fits.......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 11:31:08 GMT -5
Here you go. Pick out something nice and replace it with our humble apologies:D I particularly like bumptious!
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 11:34:56 GMT -5
I did not read it wrong..... Nice job on the name calling though.....I know it couldn't have been directed at me but to those it was directed at it wasn't very nice. Does the use of that word put you in the "slob" group the other side always mentions? No, contrary to your understanding the crossbow license was what was given so the groups that fought crossbows in archery season would claim they won a small victory and could still claim superiority on their method choice. Absolutely no other reason. You see crossbowers used an archery license since 1986 ( both physically challenged and non-physically challenged) so all of a sudden it needed its own license? Oh yes the bowhunter clan does have a small group that thinks they are way above and beyond all other hunters. The same folks want it all. They want the pre-rut and rut all to themselves. We see it all the time. Yep, chest thumping self appointed elitists. Thankfully they are in a minority. As far as who it is directed at it goes with the old saying - If the shoe fits....... uh- .... Sounds like a bad wrestling event ... the "slobs" vs the "elitists" ... Woody, has it ever occurred to you that you have been told things in the past ... things you wanted to hear ... just to make you go away? The very thing you claim was done to the "elitists"? You might think about it if you havent.
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Post by firstwd on Sept 4, 2014 11:35:19 GMT -5
Not about crossbows, that bridge has been crossed.
Just wanting to understand why those opposed to full rifle inclusion are opposed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2014 11:37:04 GMT -5
Not about crossbows, that bridge has been crossed. Just wanting to understand why those opposed to full rifle inclusion are opposed. For many, not all, the reasons are the same as the crossbow reasons...The slobs vs the bumptious.
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 11:37:32 GMT -5
Here you go. Pick out something nice and replace it with our humble apologies:D I particularly like bumptious! That does sound more exotic .... the bumptious's vs the ragamuffins (had to change slob to something more colorful too) what would be plural of bumptious??
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 4, 2014 11:41:52 GMT -5
No, contrary to your understanding the crossbow license was what was given so the groups that fought crossbows in archery season would claim they won a small victory and could still claim superiority on their method choice. Absolutely no other reason. You see crossbowers used an archery license since 1986 ( both physically challenged and non-physically challenged) so all of a sudden it needed its own license? Oh yes the bowhunter clan does have a small group that thinks they are way above and beyond all other hunters. The same folks want it all. They want the pre-rut and rut all to themselves. We see it all the time. Yep, chest thumping self appointed elitists. Thankfully they are in a minority. As far as who it is directed at it goes with the old saying - If the shoe fits....... uh- .... Sounds like a bad wrestling event ... the "slobs" vs the "elitists" ... Woody, has it ever occurred to you that you have been told things in the past ... things you wanted to hear ... just to make you go away? The very thing you claim was done to the "elitists"? You might think about it if you havent. Lol.... Another old saying for you - Actions speak louder than words. Starting in 2012 Indiana hunters had the choice of another archery hunting tool to use in the archery season. Yeah, that "made me go away". Until the next proposal......
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 11:43:21 GMT -5
Seriously...you should think about it.
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 11:46:35 GMT -5
My singular point of this little side conversation is not something that is debatable .... there is a crossbow license which makes it a weapons category of its own.
For some reason you feel the need to tell me your version of how or why that happened .... like you said... I DONT CARE!
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 11:57:17 GMT -5
Not about crossbows, that bridge has been crossed. Just wanting to understand why those opposed to full rifle inclusion are opposed. I think no matter the reasons given it will come down to some want them and some dont. I dont know there are any indisputable safety concerns of what is proposed vs what we currently have. I dont know that there are any valid concerns that tens of thousands more deer will be killed and our numbers will plummet. I cant think of any good reasons why not .... and I cant think of any good reasons to. Like most things it comes down to wants.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 4, 2014 11:59:23 GMT -5
My singular point of this little side conversation is not something that is debatable .... there is a crossbow license which makes it a weapons category of its own. For some reason you feel the need to tell me your version of how or why that happened .... like you said... I DONT CARE! Nope.. Just pointing out it is a feel good appeasement for some bowhunters that still want to feel superior to other hunters. At least now you know how and why we got to that "crossbow license" when we used an archery license for 25 years in the state of Indiana for all crossbowers.
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Post by thecommissioner on Sept 4, 2014 12:00:11 GMT -5
I'm conflicted about this proposal. Historically, I've been an advocate of allowing centerfire rifles for Hoosier deer hunting, thus my delight at the inclusion of PCR's a few years ago. That rule change motivated me to buy a new Ruger 77/44 and Nikon scope. Deer season is the only time that rifle goes to the field.
This spring Wal-Mart discounted rifles and a deal on a Savage 10 in .308 was too good to pass up. Thinking I might hunt out west sometime or even use a .308 for trade bait, I dropped my hard earned dollars on Wal-Mart's counter and now I have a NIB 'high power rifle' hiding under the bed. If the rule is changed once again, I'll probably use the .308. There goes that investment! What do I need .44 and .308 bolt actions for if I stay in Indiana? Keeping the rule as is means the .308 retains its NIB condition.
As you might guess, this is a tongue-in-cheek way of opposing the rule but it is indicative of how personal the decision becomes. What's the best for the sport? What's the best for managing the resource? Can we set aside our personal biases in favor of the common good?
Hunting, especially deer hunting, is an intensely personal activity that we 'share' with competitors, I mean other hunters. In my view, a state like Indiana with so little public land isn't as 'competitive' for deer hunting as a state with lots of public land. Perhaps the answer for those of you who feel like you are competing for deer, the rule change shouldn't apply to public land. For the rest of us, I don't think it really matters what harvest tool we use as long as isn't harmful to the environment or other animals.
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 12:01:39 GMT -5
Nope.. Just pointing out it is a feel good appeasement for some bowhunters that still want to feel superior to other hunters. At least now you know how and why we got to that "crossbow license" when we used an archery license for 25 years in the state of Indiana for all crossbowers. What I have is your version of how or why things turned out like they did. Im sure other folks have other versions. And Im sure the truth is somewhere between the two .... like the truth always is. I DONT CARE!
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 4, 2014 12:12:32 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/403710/thread" timestamp="1409849963" What I have is your version of how or why things turned out like they did. Im sure other folks have other versions. And Im sure the truth is somewhere between the two .... like the truth always is. I DONT CARE! Then why after All these post that you have made. Your still bringing it up. Looks as if you MUST CARE.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 4, 2014 12:16:29 GMT -5
I dislike the Bumptious. It was their hounds that ruined Randy and Ralphie's turkey dinner in "A Christmas Story".
Anyway, I'm in favor of allowing all rifles from 243 and up. I have a 358 Hoosier and have been glad to use it for the past couple years. No reason to put it away if others become legal, except perhaps to wring the dust out of another "old friend" like my 45/70.
I've always stated here, that the advantage of a rifle for my style of hunting is the ability to reliably hit a baseball sized object within the ranges that I shoot. My longest kill to date was with my muzzleloader. If I have to shoot a buck standing in the thick stuff at 75 yds, I want that rifle to thread the needle and put the bullet where it needs to go.
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Post by swilk on Sept 4, 2014 12:20:20 GMT -5
Then why after All these post that you have made. Your still bringing it up. Looks as if you MUST CARE. I dont care about Woody's version of things .... never asked for his version. I thought what I said was fairly simple ... there is a crossbow license. But I can let it go if you would like. Itll be tough ... but I can do it.
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Post by hornzilla on Sept 4, 2014 12:26:07 GMT -5
Then why after All these post that you have made. Your still bringing it up. Looks as if you MUST CARE. I dont care about Woody's version of things .... never asked for his version. I thought what I said was fairly simple ... there is a crossbow license. But I can let it go if you would like. Itll be tough ... but I can do it. Thank you. Back to the topic of rifles.
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