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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 9:08:28 GMT -5
Better way to explain it:
1. Measure rack but do NOT measure abnormals.
2. Subtract side-to-side deductions (we'll call this a subtotal).
3. NOW measure your abnormal points and subtract from subtotal above.
4. What's left is your net score.
If there were no abnormals, then #2 would be your net score.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 9:09:29 GMT -5
I call gross plus abnormals the "total overall score". Most deer hunters that I know says the gross score is the total of all inche's on the Bucks head. The net is after deductions. Me too.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 4, 2014 9:12:35 GMT -5
scoring a typical, the non-typical points do not add to the gross score and subtract to achieve net. The instructions on the back of the sheet are confusing. I green scored a gross 183" 8 point this year that lost around 11" to non-typical points and symmetry. The guy was confused by the instructions, but it has been the same forever. I guess if you want total inches of gross antler you could add it all together, but it means nothing toward a typical score just like tip-tip spread is just informational.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 9:14:22 GMT -5
Thanks for backing me up, freedomhunter.
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Post by swilk on Dec 4, 2014 9:16:22 GMT -5
Better way to explain it: 1. Measure rack but do NOT measure abnormals. 2. Subtract side-to-side deductions (we'll call this a subtotal). 3. NOW measure your abnormal points and subtract from subtotal above. 4. What's left is your net score. If there were no abnormals, then #2 would be your net score. Look at the official B&C scoring sheet i linked to .... I think we should go by what B&C themselves say instead of what you have posted. Your method above will actually arrive at the same point as the B&C way .... and it seems you have changed your "subtract from the net to get the net" that you were saying in your earlier posts.
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Post by swilk on Dec 4, 2014 9:17:37 GMT -5
Thanks for backing me up, freedomhunter. Was he backing you up? Did he say you subtract the abnormal points from the "net" score to arrive at the "net" score?
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 4, 2014 9:19:21 GMT -5
On a typical deer, the abnormals are not counted in the gross, but ARE deducted from the net score. Take two identical 145" NET 10-pointers. Add a 10" drop tine to one and it only nets 135". Only one will make the Indiana book. I'll admit that it sucks. ? You do realize you just gave two different "nets" right?
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Post by swilk on Dec 4, 2014 9:23:15 GMT -5
scoring a typical, the non-typical points do not add to the gross score and subtract to achieve net. The instructions on the back of the sheet are confusing. I green scored a gross 183" 8 point this year that lost around 11" to non-typical points and symmetry. The guy was confused by the instructions, but it has been the same forever. I guess if you want total inches of gross antler you could add it all together, but it means nothing toward a typical score just like tip-tip spread is just informational. Following the sheet is pretty self explanatory .... and if a person is truly interested in official scoring then that is the only way to do it. I do think most guys add every inch of antler and call that the "gross" score though .... even though it is not technically correct. I do know one thing for certain though .... there is only one "net". Once it is found it is final and nothing is added or subtracted from it.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 9:24:12 GMT -5
On a typical deer, the abnormals are not counted in the gross, but ARE deducted from the net score. Take two identical 145" NET 10-pointers. Add a 10" drop tine to one and it only nets 135". Only one will make the Indiana book. I'll admit that it sucks. ? You do realize you just gave two different "nets" right? I'm saying that if you start with a buck that nets 145", and suddenly add a 10" drop tine, it will now net 135".
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Post by swilk on Dec 4, 2014 9:26:56 GMT -5
Then he never netted 145 in the first place.
There is only one "net" score and it is final.
Please stop?
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 9:30:30 GMT -5
I do know one thing for certain though .... there is only one "net". Once it is found it is final and nothing is added or subtracted from it. What I am trying to say is that you gross score a buck without including abnormals, then you subtract the deductions to get a net score. But, if there are abnormals, you now measure them and subtract them from what would have been your net score had they not existed. Abnormals are never counted in ANY additions, but are most certainly subtracted.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 9:35:22 GMT -5
Then he never netted 145 in the first place. There is only one "net" score and it is final. Please stop? Merely samantics, my friend.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 4, 2014 9:42:06 GMT -5
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 9:45:56 GMT -5
Greg, I have five deer in the Indiana record book. I know how racks are scored. The wording is all we are arguing about. You take what I call the "mainframe net" (which would be your normal net if no abnormsls were present), then subtract abnormals to get "true net".
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Post by swilk on Dec 4, 2014 9:54:09 GMT -5
Please. Stop.
Lol .... I kid. i kid.
Seriously though ... there is only one net. That is not semantics.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 9:57:09 GMT -5
Please. Stop. Lol .... I kid. i kid. Seriously though ... there is only one net. That is not semantics. I know, but you know where I'm coming from. The rack is scored like any other typical, THEN the abnormals are finally measured and subtracted. It's all good.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 10:16:58 GMT -5
If they score it typical all those stickers points won't count and will be deducted from gross score...doubt it makes 200 net If you meant that the abnormals will not be added into the score at any time, then you are correct and I misunderstood and you have my sincere apologies.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 4, 2014 10:26:41 GMT -5
Greg, I have five deer in the Indiana record book. I know how racks are scored. The wording is all we are arguing about. You take what I call the "mainframe net" (which would be your normal net if no abnormsls were present), then subtract abnormals to get "true net". So you have to be right because you got 5 deer in the HRB?? Really?? Your making your OWN words up as you see it is the promblem!!! Your mainframe net is called a gross score.... A gross score canbe the same as a net score if you have a perfect Deer!!! There is 2 scores A Gross score and a Net score ..... Period
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 4, 2014 10:32:27 GMT -5
The point being that I've seen a few racks scored from start to finish up close. I measure mine before the scorer arrives, and am always within an inch of him. In fact, he always comes up higher than I do.
Take the gross score minus the side-to-side deductions. What do you guys call what's left?
Now subtract abnormals from whatever you call that to get net score.
My scorer says, "Okay, now that we have your net score, let's measure these abnormals and subtract them." Poor terminology? Perhaps. But the end result is the same.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 4, 2014 12:26:44 GMT -5
Abnormals are not counted in the gross score. After the net score is determined, the abnormals are then subtracted from that. I call gross plus abnormals the "total overall score". exactly...so if you have 15 inches of abnormal points, they do not count those, and then they add them up and deduct from net score...so 15 inches of abnormal ends up deducting 30 inches...because one, they do not count them in the typical score, then after they add everything they deduct the total abnormal points from the score in which they weren't counted to begin with...I shot a 160 inch buck gross two years ago in bow season, it scored 118 net typical, and 151 net non-typical...that scoring unless you've done it with an official scorer....i found many hunter think they know how it't done....actually do not understand how to score a buck typical vs. non typical...did you know it takes 155 inch non-typical buck score to make Pope and Young? Many guys say " 125 inches makes Poep and Young", ....not if you have to score it non-typical and have many abnormal points..more to it than the average hunter realizes.
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