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Post by jjas on Dec 23, 2014 12:04:48 GMT -5
While I'm not a fan of deer farms in any way, shape or form, the reality is if there wasn't a market for the urine, semen, meat and "hunting" that these places provide, they wouldn't exist.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 23, 2014 17:10:13 GMT -5
My opinion of the qdma is greatly different than yours. lol....no kidding...mine too...never heard of that QDMA described above.. Perception is a crazy thing is it not..? Amazing how people can see and read the very same things and spin it to fit an agenda. I'm not a fan of high fenced at all!....but the QDMA is in no way even in the same stratosphere as high fenced..vivid imagination there.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 23, 2014 19:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by GS1 on Dec 23, 2014 20:04:23 GMT -5
Wonder what kind of inventory the DNR has on the whitetails there? For some reason I can just imagine some of them are taking rides to other pens every night.
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Post by chubwub on Dec 23, 2014 21:02:06 GMT -5
Okay I have one complaint about this article. The term genetically engineered is being misused. Genetic engineering is a DIRECT manipulation of a genome through biotechnology to take genetic traits that are in one species and tranfer them to another. I seriously doubt these deer farmers have a lab set up capable of this or contracted it out. It is very expensive and laborious to do, especially in animals.
It is more likely that they are breeding these animals through highly selective AI breeding and line breeding programs like they do with cattle.
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Post by swilk on Dec 23, 2014 21:18:32 GMT -5
Likely just taking selective animals with the traits they find desirable and adding a healthy dose of nutrition and whatever other concoction that can be injected to deliver lots of bone.
Portrayed as genetic engineering or modification.
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Post by nfalls116 on Dec 24, 2014 0:47:42 GMT -5
Any Yoder probably isn't gonna do things on the up and up.... just my guess
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Post by drs on Dec 24, 2014 5:42:08 GMT -5
Okay I have one complaint about this article. The term genetically engineered is being misused. Genetic engineering is a DIRECT manipulation of a genome through biotechnology to take genetic traits that are in one species and tranfer them to another. I seriously doubt these deer farmers have a lab set up capable of this or contracted it out. It is very expensive and laborious to do, especially in animals. It is more likely that they are breeding these animals through highly selective AI breeding and line breeding programs like they do with cattle.You are partly correct, chubwub, in that through "selective" breeding desirable traits is done regularly on cattle. However, unlike cattle, genetic manipulation in animals like Deer can be a tricky undertaking, UNLESS one has a "pure subject" that has not been interbred along the same "blood line" (inbreeding). When genetically working with a subject, who has no or an uncertain or questionable pedigree, bad genetic traits as well as some good genetic traits, BOTH are transferred, and little improvement is accomplished. When working with ANY animal; selective breeding, knowing the background of the breeding stock, is a MUST, if any degree of success, in producing a superior offspring & generation is realized. I agree that most if not all of those engaged in Deer Farming don't have working knowledge or have access to lab equipment, control factors, as well as money to undertake such a breeding program.
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Post by chubwub on Dec 24, 2014 9:29:03 GMT -5
Just drives me nuts that people see things that have been selectivity breed the old fashioned way for desirable traits over several generations, including many crazy looking vegetables and automatically go "Omg it's genetically engineered it's an abomination and poisonous for the environment!!!" If someone qoutes me that Seralini paper that the granola hypers use as their bible one more time as evidence that GMOs are cancer causing I swear I'll go on a nerd rampage the likes of which has never been seen. Not all GMOs are bad and many genetic manipulation techniques used in the industry are nothing more than technological shortcuts for "genetic engineering" we have been doing since the first man picked up a hoe and started to farm. Corn looks absolutley nothing like what it did 5000 years ago and that was purely old fashioned natural human selection.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 24, 2014 10:36:56 GMT -5
Just drives me nuts that people see things that have been selectivity breed the old fashioned way for desirable traits over several generations, including many crazy looking vegetables and automatically go "Omg it's genetically engineered it's an abomination and poisonous for the environment!!!" If someone qoutes me that Seralini paper that the granola hypers use as their bible one more time as evidence that GMOs are cancer causing I swear I'll go on a nerd rampage the likes of which has never been seen. Not all GMOs are bad and many genetic manipulation techniques used in the industry are nothing more than technological shortcuts for "genetic engineering" we have been doing since the first man picked up a hoe and started to farm. Corn looks absolutley nothing like what it did 5000 years ago and that was purely old fashioned natural human selection. And if corn wasn't continuously "engineered" it would revert back to it's original form in 5 to 10 years, but most people don't believe that thought process.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 24, 2014 13:10:14 GMT -5
I will kill every leagle buck( horn or no horn) I can. Meat hunter and for each doe I pass u get 2 extra next year with one being a buck with no horns. If I owned and controlled a Sq mile I might pass on a horned deer but the button will migrate out of my area never to be seen again.looks better in my freezer than 3 miles down the road next year Exactly and to drive this home check out post 9 on this thread FYI I think he relocated at 16 months old 32 miles from home and took up new residance and big antlered bucks for the most part are born that way top end from the time they are born .The rest is just a sruggle to get any real size at all . LOL 32 miles .I saw a buck that as a button that had a large white chest patch below his neck patch looked like a triangle long and wide clear down on the dark hair area of the chest V area , very distinctive as a button buck .He was killed last year 24 miles from his last known position just down the road .. Check out post 9 here very interesting and drives home the point with a hammer .. Keep passing them buttons for me fellas they will just move in and grow up here lol.. SMH www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2383348So if we all pass buttons bucks, every hunter 32 miles away has a crack at a buck at some point if he is allowed to mature, that was born 32 miles away makes no difference and is irrelevant.....if all hunter used your " logic" and shot every button buck the encounter like you do, no one would have a buck to shoot in a few years time...No getting the logic in shooting button bucks.
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Post by throbak on Dec 24, 2014 14:37:49 GMT -5
Do the Math shoot say 4 BB and not 4 does.. the does have twins thats 8 deer half are bucks and you still have the original four does so you are up 12 deer makes since to me
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 24, 2014 15:14:22 GMT -5
Do the Math shoot say 4 BB and not 4 does.. the does have twins thats 8 deer half are bucks and you still have the original four does so you are up 12 deer makes since to me Here's my hillbilly math ....Do NOT shoot 4 button bucks...the doe's have twins, that's 12 deer, IF half are bucks, we're at 8 bucks of 16 deer...perfect 1:1 buck to doe ratio
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Post by throbak on Dec 24, 2014 16:05:00 GMT -5
Only thing is you math doesn't put meat in the freezer mine does with no less deer for next year
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 24, 2014 16:20:05 GMT -5
Only thing is you math doesn't put meat in the freezer mine does with no less deer for next year Your right and there part he don't get is its not our responsibility to make sure some guys 32 miles away gets a crack at that buck at 1.5 years old or 5.5 years old . His math no deer go in the freezer for you or I and you just supplied the country side with all the bucks they want as they continue to shoot the doe herd up and you get nothing .LOL these guys make me laugh. Fact is those who kill several doe off a season or even two or three in their area are doing the same thing as a guy by shooting a button buck or two only they are doing it before they are even born and then reassuring that no more fawns are born doe and buck there .So they are doing far more herd and buck damage than the guy shooting a button or two for extra meat and his antlered buck that's a real world fact . FYI for RR a 1-1 buck doe ratio is not the natural ratio and not a good one in a wild herd .
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 24, 2014 19:00:11 GMT -5
My math does work..i shot the 17 and 18th doe, and the 9th buck...for the freezer
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 24, 2014 19:01:40 GMT -5
My math does work..i shot the 17 and 18th doe, and the 9th buck...for the freezer
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 24, 2014 19:04:26 GMT -5
Only thing is you math doesn't put meat in the freezer mine does with no less deer for next year Your right and there part he don't get is its not our responsibility to make sure some guys 32 miles away gets a crack at that buck at 1.5 years old or 5.5 years old . His math no deer go in the freezer for you or I and you just supplied the country side with all the bucks they want as they continue to shoot the doe herd up and you get nothing .LOL these guys make me laugh. Fact is those who kill several doe off a season or even two or three in their area are doing the same thing as a guy by shooting a button buck or two only they are doing it before they are even born and then reassuring that no more fawns are born doe and buck there .So they are doing far more herd and buck damage than the guy shooting a button or two for extra meat and his antlered buck that's a real world fact . FYI for RR a 1-1 buck doe ratio is not the natural ratio and not a good one in a wild herd . Come look at my wall and tell me it doesn't work....then I'll take you out to the garage and show you my freezer full of meat....been doing it for 25 years....works really well. Never a shortage of good deer to shoot.
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Post by throbak on Dec 24, 2014 19:18:51 GMT -5
My math does work..i shot the 17 and 18th doe, and the 9th buck...for the freezer You surly don't mean for this year do you?
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 24, 2014 19:27:10 GMT -5
[/quote]Come look at my wall and tell me it doesn't work....then I'll take you out to the garage and show you my freezer full of meat....been doing it for 25 years....works really well. Never a shortage of good deer to shoot.[/quote] come hunt where we hunt then tell me it works
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