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Post by chubwub on Dec 24, 2014 19:39:50 GMT -5
I think another thing to think about is that as many have pointed out, there is a demand for deer products besides the antlers. So if we were to outlaw these farms where do you think people will turn to for their supply? Market hunting of wild deer almost decimated them. We can never go back to this kind of hunting to supply our demand for deer products. Rhinos are on the verge of extinction for their horn in most regions, yet thrive by the tens of thousands in South Africa game preserves where they are raised simply for someone to dart and take a picture with. The Arabian oryx has a population of only 200 left in the Middle East but boast numbers in the thousands on game preserves in Texas.
Even these preserves that I dislike so much have a silver lining to them. Not all deer and game farms are created equal. At the very least it does keep the rich dbags away from where I am hunting. ;-)
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 24, 2014 19:54:13 GMT -5
You surly don't mean for this year do you? you are correct...lol. If you read the previous postings we were discussing hypotheticals numbers with shooting 4 BB and letting 4 does walk...so forth and so on...go back a few post....I was referring to the hypotheticals
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Post by greghopper on Dec 24, 2014 19:56:05 GMT -5
Your right and there part he don't get is its not our responsibility to make sure some guys 32 miles away gets a crack at that buck at 1.5 years old or 5.5 years old . His math no deer go in the freezer for you or I and you just supplied the country side with all the bucks they want as they continue to shoot the doe herd up and you get nothing .LOL these guys make me laugh. Fact is those who kill several doe off a season or even two or three in their area are doing the same thing as a guy by shooting a button buck or two only they are doing it before they are even born and then reassuring that no more fawns are born doe and buck there .So they are doing far more herd and buck damage than the guy shooting a button or two for extra meat and his antlered buck that's a real world fact . FYI for RR a 1-1 buck doe ratio is not the natural ratio and not a good one in a wild herd . Come look at my wall and tell me it doesn't work....then I'll take you out to the garage and show you my freezer full of meat....been doing it for 25 years....works really well. Never a shortage of good deer to shoot. AMEN Brother... Preach it!!! Some cant see the Forest for the trees.....
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 24, 2014 19:57:03 GMT -5
Do the Math shoot say 4 BB and not 4 does.. the does have twins thats 8 deer half are bucks and you still have the original four does so you are up 12 deer makes since to me here's the scenario...i was referring to.
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 24, 2014 20:00:29 GMT -5
Come look at my wall and tell me it doesn't work....then I'll take you out to the garage and show you my freezer full of meat....been doing it for 25 years....works really well. Never a shortage of good deer to shoot. AMEN Brother... Preach it!!! Some cant see the Forest for the trees.....Printing it in red don't make it true or better and .My walls and freezer full of meat said so as well...My way worked great for me for 40 years plus I guess I win ..
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Post by greghopper on Dec 24, 2014 20:12:40 GMT -5
Wonder why we don't see ridgerunner "COMPLAINING" any about the Deer Herd ? Hmmm.... I think most know the answer.....carry on!!! *Some cant see the Forest for the trees*
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 24, 2014 20:13:58 GMT -5
AMEN Brother... Preach it!!! Some cant see the Forest for the trees.....Printing it in red don't make it true or better and .My walls and freezer full of meat said so as well...My way worked great for me for 40 years plus I guess I win .. yeah but my deer tag went on 120 lb doe's, yours went on button bucks..so my 24 dollar tag provided me 75 pounds of deer meat...your 24 dollar tag went on a 50lb button buck that likely on produced 25-35 lb of meat....as far as 'the wall" my walls has trophy bucks with huge racks for my $ 450 a pop taxidermy bill...your $450-$500 taxidermy bill was likely for 110-120 inch bucks since you " aren't in to all the antler porn".....am I right? In the end I get more bang for my buck...literally
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Post by firstwd on Dec 24, 2014 20:31:15 GMT -5
And yet another thread that needs locked because the discussion and inevitable personal attacks went completely off topic......
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Post by shouldernuke on Dec 24, 2014 21:21:25 GMT -5
Printing it in red don't make it true or better and .My walls and freezer full of meat said so as well...My way worked great for me for 40 years plus I guess I win .. yeah but my deer tag went on 120 lb doe's, yours went on button bucks..so my 24 dollar tag provided me 75 pounds of deer meat...your 24 dollar tag went on a 50lb button buck that likely on produced 25-35 lb of meat....as far as 'the wall" my walls has trophy bucks with huge racks for my $ 450 a pop taxidermy bill...your $450-$500 taxidermy bill was likely for 110-120 inch bucks since you " aren't in to all the antler porn".....am I right? In the end I get more bang for my buck...literally Ok lets se wrong wrong wrong all counts .LTL holder I am down to free hunting by now for many years running so no $24.00 tags for me not for a very long time. My wall has many huge racked bucks on them as well and you pay too much for your taxi work. lol My bang for my buck is huge since I process every deer myself and my hunting buddy owns non-typical taxidermy services . You have all worked out in your mind but your facts and figures are so far off they are not even in the same time zone .FYI my button buck was about 80# and a mid Nov kill .Man you guys don't have it figured out yet gut that's ok as I et her looking over my 171 2/8th and 169 5/8 and all the others too.Guys get a grip there is no one size fits all program that works everywhere .when you realize that you will be ok . does the buck in my avatar look 110 -120 lol
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 24, 2014 22:11:32 GMT -5
You all need to quit the "measuring contest" and get back on the subject . I can't believe I'm smacking wrists on Christmas Eve...
So knock it off...
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 24, 2014 22:13:22 GMT -5
Printing it in red don't make it true or better and .My walls and freezer full of meat said so as well...My way worked great for me for 40 years plus I guess I win .. yeah but my deer tag went on 120 lb doe's, yours went on button bucks..so my 24 dollar tag provided me 75 pounds of deer meat...your 24 dollar tag went on a 50lb button buck that likely on produced 25-35 lb of meat....as far as 'the wall" my walls has trophy bucks with huge racks for my $ 450 a pop taxidermy bill...your $450-$500 taxidermy bill was likely for 110-120 inch bucks since you " aren't in to all the antler porn".....am I right? In the end I get more bang for my buck...literally It is not really about who wins or looses. It is about HUNTING. I hunt for meat the best way for me to keep a herd is to kill bucks. You want horns. Best way I know to get that is kill nothing but older bucks. So be it. If that is what u enjoy so be it, but PLEASE do not try to force me to hunt to your standards. I do not expect you to hunt to mine. Do not put me down because I do not have a WALL full of Record book bucks. I do not need them. I was luckey enough to take a record buck a fue years back and had to be talked into putting it in to the book because I DID NOT NEED MY NAME IN THERE. Then it was explained that it is about the deer not who killed it. I will admit that I would like to see more bucks but for the reason that it would mean there is a lot more deer and by takeing a buck (larger than doe or button) I get more meat for the freezer. As for the wall of bucks I do have a few but did not have any till I started doing taxidermy as a hobby. I do not have them there to brag on I have them there as reminders of some great hunts afield with friends. As a matter of fact I try extremely hard not to brag about them. As a kid I was taught that you do not need to brag because if you are good at some thing some one else will do the bragging for you.I will not use them to put some one else's deer down as I have a set of spike horns that are worth more than any other set I have taken and that 6 pt that some one takes may be just as great to them as that set of spikes is to me. And who am I to begrudge an other man's trophy because it does not meet "MY" standards. As.far.as bang for your $ a button is the best eating there is and if u do your own processing like me there is no difference in the cost of the amount of meat I get. You may have a wall of HUGE bucks but I got a feeling I would rather sit and talk to the member that has the 110/120 inch deer on his wall because I figure he would be more down to earth and not a lot of see what I did. This is what I get out of your posts. You may be entirely different as I do not know you but what u post leads me to be leave what I stated Onebentarrow
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Post by chubwub on Dec 24, 2014 22:16:12 GMT -5
I'm sad that I made 2 controversial posts to stir debate and no one took the bait on the second post. Guess I need to step up my game!!! :-)
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Post by onebentarrow on Dec 24, 2014 22:19:46 GMT -5
You all need to quit the "measuring contest" and get back on the subject . I can't believe I'm smacking wrists on Christmas Eve... So knock it off... Sorry woody I was typing when ur post was put up so if u like delete my post as if I had read your post I would not have answered the other. thanks and I apologies again
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Post by nfalls116 on Dec 24, 2014 23:09:47 GMT -5
Chubwub you are wrong on your post it doesn't go along with my thought process I read something on the Internet so it must be right and it went along with how.i feel so it is the absolute only way That it would or should ever be.
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Post by drs on Dec 25, 2014 6:32:57 GMT -5
I believe I can sum-up the following regarding Woody's fine thread on Deer Farms & resulting consequences: God has given Mankind the knowledge and ability to alter organisms, be it plant crops and/or animals, in order to improve them, for the good of all. However with such knowledge, Mankind can also alter organisms in which can and has resulted in negative results. When one tries to improve any organism, they must be aware that some or all of the improvements can result in genetic deviations that can turn out negative in the long run. So great care should always be a main concern with the knowledge of both positive and negative factors. With this, I wish everyone here reading this post of mine a Merry Christmas, and instead of arguing over this thread, go out and enjoy Christmas Day with family & friends.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 25, 2014 14:07:52 GMT -5
Pretty evident from post's on this thread and many other's. "Hunter's are hunter's worst enemies." Every hunter know's more than the next and of course we all know more than our state's deer biologist. Hunter's are ruining our sport and it's really sad to see.
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Post by windingwinds on Dec 26, 2014 1:35:18 GMT -5
At first I was not against deer farms, after all we personally raise Painted Desert Sheep here at home. But I do not see the farmers having control of the fence failures or disease, both I spend time and money on with the sheep. Do I want them banned, no. But I will not spend money on their products in the future. Supply and demand. After seeing a skull of a 2yr old cow that could not hold her head up from too much horns on her head in Texas I know that is where these farms are headed.
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