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Post by barton174 on Mar 8, 2017 8:28:37 GMT -5
barton174, try the usual case prep, then RL-15 and 168g SMK's or 180g Accubonds in the .308. That's what I'm playing with now, my .308 will shoot 1/2 moa out to 1K with factory Gold Medal Match 168's. Just "regular" loads with any BTHP match bullets have been great, without even dialing in (well, 1moa, without even dialing them in). The above, all brass is fire formed to this rifle, with the usual case prep, and is LC brass, but it's all the same year. I've tried all 3 weights of Hornady SST bullets, which were all like 2MOA or worse, and 165gr SGK and Barnes TTSX. Tried them all with H4895, Varget, and RL-15. I've seriously put over 300rds through this thing, just doing development. Part of (a lot of) the issue is that the throat is the longest throat I've ever seen in a non-military bolt gun. To be .030 off the lands, I've got to be .100 longer than mag length, and single load (which is what I did for deer season last year). Not having a ton of time for separate range trips last year, before season, I wasn't real hot, being careful because of the .mil brass, but loading that far out, even to mag length, combined with the long throat, the pressure data in the manual is way, way conservative, and it's kind of a "try it until you find it" kind of thing. In hind sight, I should have just gotten a 700 heavy barrel (or a good AR-10) and been done with it (My dad's is like you're talking about, 1/2 minute, with several different kinds of bullets, with just 4895, in several different loadings that are't even really hot, in non-fireformed .mil brass.) But nooooo, I was trying to keep it light weight (and cheap enough I didn't care about beating it up hunting), and the reviews said these were 1moa or so, even with factory ammo, which I can nearly always beat with some development, so I went for it. We'll see. It's been my experience that if I can't hit it with 5 different kinds and weights of quality bullets, in RL15, 4895, and Varget, it's something I just have to accept for what it is and leave it alone. I still haven't hit a MAX load, though, so I'm still working on it. I've only shot it once since the Boyd's stock, and it's less sensitive, so we'll see. Back to the original point, though, once I put the boyd's stock on it, though it helped accuracy and helped it not to be so sensitive to how it is held and shoulder pressure, I'm certain it's now heavier than the above 6.8 AR, especially once I take that lightweight aluminum rail off it (cold in the winter) and put a carbon fiber free float tube on it. It's an 18" .750 barrel, BTW. Mike
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Post by barton174 on Mar 30, 2017 15:18:22 GMT -5
So... Does anybody know when we would expect more updates on this? Is where it is right now someplace where bills just go to rot, or what?
Mike
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Post by cedarthicket on Mar 30, 2017 16:24:19 GMT -5
HB 1415 passed the full Senate this afternoon. The vote was 41 for and 8 against. I anticipate it will now go to a joint conference committee (House & Senate members) to reconcile differences between the versions passed by the House and Senate.
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Post by barton174 on Mar 30, 2017 19:34:16 GMT -5
HB 1415 passed the full Senate this afternoon. The vote was 41 for and 8 against. I anticipate it will now go to a joint conference committee (House & Senate members) to reconcile differences between the versions passed by the House and Senate. Awesome! Thanks! So, How did something this simple have different versions passed in the house and senate?? Mike
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 30, 2017 20:02:33 GMT -5
HB 1415 passed the full Senate this afternoon. The vote was 41 for and 8 against. I anticipate it will now go to a joint conference committee (House & Senate members) to reconcile differences between the versions passed by the House and Senate. Awesome! Thanks! So, How did something this simple have different versions passed in the house and senate?? Mike The bill was a large DNR bill that had quite a lot of different things in it. The rifle language was just a small part of the bill. The bill passed the House as written, but there were amendments added in the Senate before it was passed there. Anytime one chamber adds amendments to a bill and it passes, a conference committee is chosen to work out any differences. This committee consists of both House and Senate members. The simplest way for it to go is that the conference committee accepts the Senate amendments and passes the bill as it is now written. Or the House members can say, "Hey, we don't like that 3" maximum case length that you guys added", and they can argue it out until a compromise is reached.
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Post by barton174 on Mar 30, 2017 20:24:45 GMT -5
Ah, OK! I didn't catch that it was part of a much larger bill! Thanks!
Did the senate add a 3" max case length, or was that just an example?
Mike
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Post by cedarthicket on Mar 30, 2017 20:56:25 GMT -5
The 3" maximum case length was added in the Senate. My guess is that it will remain in the bill language agreed upon by the conference committee. The 3" length eliminates the .50 BMG (Browning Machine Gun) cartridge and similar "military" cartridges designed for "heavy" machine guns and sometimes very long-range sniping by the military. It also eliminates some other sporting cartridges (both relatively new and relatively old black powder era) primarily designed for really big game such as elephant, rhino, buffalo, and bison. However, the number of Indiana deer hunters owning rifles for such cartridges is very small. And, likely very few of them would be upset by the 3" case length limit for Indiana deer hunting. JMHO
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Post by barton174 on Mar 30, 2017 21:04:23 GMT -5
The 3" maximum case length was added in the Senate. My guess is that it will remain in the bill language agreed upon by the conference committee. The 3" length eliminates the .50 BMG (Browning Machine Gun) cartridge and similar "military" cartridges designed for "heavy" machine guns and sometimes very long-range sniping by the military. It also eliminates some other sporting cartridges (both relatively new and relatively old black powder era) primarily designed for really big game such as elephant, rhino, buffalo, and bison. However, the number of Indiana deer hunters owning rifles for such cartridges is very small. And, likely very few of them would be upset by the 3" case length limit for Indiana deer hunting. JMHO Yeah, even the 300WM case length is 2.62". I have no problem with that. Mike
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Post by esshup on Mar 31, 2017 10:49:39 GMT -5
My longest one that I own is 2.85", and that isn't my long range rifle.
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 1, 2017 18:11:03 GMT -5
My Senator was one of the 8 nay votes on HB1415. I have sent him an e-mail asking why he opposed it. I doubt it had anything to do with the rifle portion of the bill.
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Post by benj on Apr 2, 2017 8:16:58 GMT -5
My Senator was one of the 8 nay votes on HB1415. I have sent him an e-mail asking why he opposed it. I doubt it had anything to do with the rifle portion of the bill. Let us know what they said, I would be interested to hear this as well.
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 3, 2017 8:58:58 GMT -5
Most importantly...I have a sporterized Swedish Mauser (6.55x55) I'm gonna need someone with dies to load up deer specific rounds for me. Knowing me I'll never use it but think it'd be fun to take the old gun out into the field just once.
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 3, 2017 9:58:55 GMT -5
That would be an outstanding deer round.
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 3, 2017 10:22:23 GMT -5
That would be an outstanding deer round. I'm a huge fan of the ballistic abilities and performance of the round....it may very well be the only gun that could potentially make me wanna try a gun instead of bow hunt clear through.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 3, 2017 11:43:27 GMT -5
Going to conference committee but I understand one of the original house sponsors doesnt like the 3" change..
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 3, 2017 11:46:25 GMT -5
Going to conference committee but I understand one of the original house sponsors doesnt like the 3" change.. Would love to hear the reasoning? You are basically for lack of wildcats making the 50 illegal but hardly anything else that someone logically is going to attempt to utilize.
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Post by gilder on Apr 3, 2017 22:08:55 GMT -5
Most importantly...I have a sporterized Swedish Mauser (6.55x55) I'm gonna need someone with dies to load up deer specific rounds for me. Knowing me I'll never use it but think it'd be fun to take the old gun out into the field just once. I have dies and load for my Winchester 70. But I am in Indianapolis.
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Post by tynimiller on Apr 3, 2017 23:11:50 GMT -5
Most importantly...I have a sporterized Swedish Mauser (6.55x55) I'm gonna need someone with dies to load up deer specific rounds for me. Knowing me I'll never use it but think it'd be fun to take the old gun out into the field just once. I have dies and load for my Winchester 70. But I am in Indianapolis. Noted and saved....I can always come to you and tip!
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Post by M4Madness on Apr 5, 2017 17:44:01 GMT -5
I probably jinxed the bill since I sold my Remington 700 in .308 and bought a rare Ruger American Predator in .25-06 Rem tonight. Lol! It turns out that Ruger doesn't make that particular rifle model in that caliber for the general public, but did so as a promotional deal to reward companies that sell lots of Ruger rifles. I managed to snag the only one I could find for sale online. It is already factory threaded for a suppressor. www.ruger.com/products/americanRiflePredator/models.html
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Post by bgm on Apr 5, 2017 18:28:12 GMT -5
Sounds like most of you like the hpr rule. I'm not for it, in areas I think it's fine. But where I live its definitely a safety hazard. Thank god most land owners and hunters here have enough brains not to use them. Only know of a few hunters who hunted in the area with them. Those who did are not highly looked upon. Personally I say there's a difference between a hunter and a marksman. Marksman can stay on the bench with their hprs, us hunters will go to the woods with our shotguns bows and muzzleloaders.
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