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Post by genesis273 on Oct 24, 2021 18:29:47 GMT -5
Not a Baldwin fan by any means but, I'm sure he'll be suffering mentally and financially after this.
If he is responsible for hiring the prop wranglers then yes, he is definitely civilly liable.
Sounds like a lot of carelessness on the set with the ammo and firearms. I wouldn't necessarily expect Baldwin to have a lot of fun safety training but, I'm sure that's one reason they hire professionals.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 3, 2021 11:30:59 GMT -5
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Post by sculver7 on Dec 3, 2021 12:04:28 GMT -5
The article states that is was a .45 long colt revolver. If it was truly a single action revolver... The test determined that was a lie.
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Post by oldhoyt on Dec 3, 2021 12:05:31 GMT -5
Baldwin said he didn't pull the trigger, but he's pretty sure he saw a puff of smoke come from a grassy knoll near the set.
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Post by duff on Dec 3, 2021 12:16:54 GMT -5
Does he mean literally or figuratively?
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Dec 3, 2021 13:42:13 GMT -5
He should be in jail by now.
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Post by tine-n-spur on Dec 3, 2021 14:07:08 GMT -5
I am not familiar with the gun in question…. However my Ruger single action revolver has a transfer bar safety which makes it virtually impossible to fire without first cocking and then pulling the trigger.
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 3, 2021 14:49:41 GMT -5
The gun was an 1873 colt peacemaker or replica thereof. I'm not real familiar with this gun but I belief it had safety features designed to prevent what Baldwin claims happened. Anyone here own one? I saw a supposed gun expert on the morning news tell the anchor that Baldwin's story was technically possible but you could sure tell he wanted to add "Probably not."
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 3, 2021 15:13:01 GMT -5
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Post by tine-n-spur on Dec 3, 2021 16:09:26 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 3, 2021 20:45:36 GMT -5
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Post by esshup on Dec 3, 2021 22:56:54 GMT -5
I did more research. I found out what gun supposedly was used. It’s a Single Action Army replica made by F.lli Pietta chambered in 45 Long Colt Revolver. piettausa.com/ So, you physically have to thumb the hammer back and THEN pull the trigger to get the gun to fire. You can pull the trigger all you want and the gun won’t fire unless the hammer is pulled back by your thumb. IF the trigger is held back while you pull back the hammer, then the gun should fire too. YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER AND HAVE IT PULLED BACK TO FIRE THE GUN. Now get this little tidbit of information that I ran across. The TV series Gunsmoke shot 635 episodes over a 20 year period. During that time literally thousands and thousands of bad guys, good guys, innocent bystanders, etc., pretended to shoot, or pretended they were shot without any fatalities, or experiencing a single instance of bloodshed by bullet. The revolvers used as props were mostly fully functional Great Western brand guns. (Fully functional means that they can fire live ammunition.) Great Western revolvers are still manufactured today by - get this - Pietta. Now Pietta ALSO makes a blank firing gun, which means that it cannot fire a loaded round. Impossible to fire a loaded round in it. It looks like a gun from the late 1800’s. Why weren’t they using that? Since the movie was a low budget affair, they sure as hell could have afforded them, the MSRP on them is $450, which means that they could have bought one for around $400. The revolvers that shoot live ammo made by them cost $200 more. Now for round 2. Here is what a blank .45 Long Colt looks like: www.westernstageprops.com/45-long-colt-balloon-blank-ammunition-p/sa45.htmHere is what a live round of .45 Long Colt looks like: minutemanammo.com/products/45-colt-250-grain-rainier-flat-point-900fps-50-roundsAs you can see, they don’t look alike. So, that is one simple way to tell if the gun has blanks or loaded ammo. A BLANK DOES NOT HAVE A BULLET IN IT.
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Post by jjas on Dec 4, 2021 8:50:19 GMT -5
I've been saying since day 1 that from a criminal standpoint I don't see Alec Baldwin being charged. He's going to testify that the the individual who handed him the revolver bore the responsibility to be sure the gun was safe.
Do I think he pulled the trigger? Not in the way most would think. I think he pulled the trigger as he thumbed back the hammer and when he released it (the hammer) that's when it went off. Do that make him guilty of a criminal offense? I don't think so as again, the gun was supposed to be "safe" according to the wrangler and the individual who handed it to Baldwin.
If you read about gun wrangler/prop masters most don't want the actors to "check" their guns because that means they have to go through the whole sequence again so they can guarantee the safety of the gun. They hand the actor the gun, the scene is shot and the wrangler/prop master takes the gun back from the actor.
From a civil standpoint, I think Baldwin is in deep. Just like I think the other producers on the movie (along with their insurance companies) are going to be writing a whole bunch of checks.
I also think that Baldwin was a fool for going on tv. I can't imagine that his attorney thought that was a good idea and I'd be shocked if he/she didn't tell Baldwin he needs to find new counsel to represent him.
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Post by esshup on Dec 4, 2021 19:15:39 GMT -5
I don't know how true it is, but I read where the actors are not supposed to point the gun at the person, but off to the side just because even though they are blanks, there is some ejecta and that's one way to keep the shootee safe.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 13, 2022 18:31:02 GMT -5
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Post by tine-n-spur on Aug 13, 2022 18:51:59 GMT -5
I came to that conclusion months ago but, it’s nice to see the FBI backs me up
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Post by esshup on Aug 13, 2022 20:19:53 GMT -5
Now he can star in the real life movie "Hang 'em High"
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 19, 2024 15:06:27 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Jan 19, 2024 15:41:14 GMT -5
Baldwin's a horse's a$$, but I've always read that it's the armorer's duty to make sure the firearms used in movies/tv are not loaded with live ammo and make sure there's no live ammo on the set...period.
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Post by esshup on Jan 19, 2024 18:35:04 GMT -5
Baldwin's a horse's a$$, but I've always read that it's the armorer's duty to make sure the firearms used in movies/tv are not loaded with live ammo and make sure there's no live ammo on the set...period. I'm thinking that what you said is true, unless the boss tells them not to do their job and that they have a different job to do that day.
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