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Post by greghopper on Feb 10, 2015 13:41:57 GMT -5
I know Lots of Trappers and to the Man Not one would leave an animal in a trap for 4 days not one for this IMO there is no excuse and he deserves every violation that is imposed you just DG don't do that sort of thing NEVER FOR ANY REASON Exactly..... In no way are CO's required to dispatch game in a trap!!! But they shouldn't say there coming to do that if they can't make it...... Two wrongs don't make a right either!! Wonder what the price of the ticket is?  |
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Post by chubwub on Feb 10, 2015 14:28:11 GMT -5
What is the point in calling a CO for assistance if they don't respond to your calls?
Taken directly from the handbook:
Badgers, bobcats and river otters are protected species. It is illegal to take these furbearers in Indiana. If you accidentally trap a badger, bobcat or river otter, report the incident to an Indiana Conservation Officer. There is no penalty for reporting accidental captures. If the animal is dead, the carcass must be surrendered to an Indiana Conservation Officer. Information provided by hunters and trappers is an important means of determining the status and distribution of these species in Indiana.
Reporting Incidentals
If incidental catch of a river otter, bobcat or badger occurs, contact your local Conservation Officer or call (812) 837-9536 as soon as possible for instructions on how to release an animal, or if dead, how to transport it to the Department.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 10, 2015 14:33:11 GMT -5
What is the point in calling a CO for assistance if they don't respond to your calls? Taken directly from the handbook: Badgers, bobcats and river otters are protected species. It is illegal to take these furbearers in Indiana. If you accidentally trap a badger, bobcat or river otter, report the incident to an Indiana Conservation Officer. There is no penalty for reporting accidental captures. If the animal is dead, the carcass must be surrendered to an Indiana Conservation Officer. Information provided by hunters and trappers is an important means of determining the status and distribution of these species in Indiana. Reporting Incidentals If incidental catch of a river otter, bobcat or badger occurs, contact your local Conservation Officer or call (812) 837-9536 as soon as possible for instructions on how to release an animal, or if dead, how to transport it to the Department.
Notice it says" HOW TO" ..... Nothing about "we will do" They should never say there coming then not come also.... IMO ....that was a mistake for sure!!! |
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Post by chubwub on Feb 10, 2015 14:53:05 GMT -5
Yeah I read that. But I did notice that I haven't seen anything that indicates that they provided these instructions for him in a timely fashion either...
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 10, 2015 15:01:11 GMT -5
My opinion - the trapper was responsible. There are multiple methods shown on YouTube for releasing Bob cats from traps. The plastic tub works.
The CO should have been more responsive.
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Post by duff on Feb 10, 2015 16:58:55 GMT -5
Yup, people been releasing badgers, bob cats and other by-catch for years. He will be lucky if he doesn't get fined for not running his trap every 24-hour period as well. The intent of that rule is to make sure you don't let an animal suffer in a trap for longer than 1-day.
Hope he learns from this and everything works out for him.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 10, 2015 22:18:54 GMT -5
My opinion - the trapper was responsible. There are multiple methods shown on YouTube for releasing Bob cats from traps. The plastic tub works. The CO should have been more responsive. Depending on what they have going on and what hours they are keeping, it is not always possible to be in contact with everybody that might call. |
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 11, 2015 9:04:45 GMT -5
Just makes me VERY glad I don't mess with trapping. Too much hassle for my taste. I'm with you |
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Post by hornzilla on Feb 11, 2015 9:39:31 GMT -5
One of the simplest way to remove one.
Take a large rubber made tote. Put 20 feet of rope on one end. Walk calmly and slowly to the cat. Place the tote over cat. Lay lightly over top. Take the trap off. As soon as the pressure is removed the cat will pull his foot back under tote. Then back off to the end of your rope. Give a big tug. Tote will tip over. Bobcat will take off when he realizes he's free. Seconds to a few minutes.
This set up is always in the back of my truck when ever I have dry land steel set.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 11, 2015 12:58:19 GMT -5
He was running trap line every day. He called the CO the 1st day and was told the CO would come out. But did not. Checked on 2 day and 3 day as well. And each day called the CO is my understanding. He shot cat on 3rd day as he said it appeared to have broken it's front leg. Removed cat and brought to his house where the CO finally came to pick up a week later. He also called the Co and told him he shot the cat and why.
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Post by tenring on Feb 12, 2015 7:18:01 GMT -5
24 hrs., and clear the trap, say nothing to no one.
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Post by GS1 on Feb 12, 2015 7:47:57 GMT -5
Here's a good YouTube video using a tub to release a critter. Not exactly a bobcat, but a wolf. youtu.be/eyNIP5HVzUg |
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Post by ms660 on Feb 12, 2015 8:25:34 GMT -5
Just makes me VERY glad I don't mess with trapping. Too much hassle for my taste. I'm with you Been a proud trapper for 40 years and never seen it as a hassle, a lot of hard, but rewarding and enjoyable work. |
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Post by throbak on Feb 12, 2015 10:44:23 GMT -5
A little back ground here I am 64 yrs old now kids ask for allowance I at the tender age of 9 started trapping to get spending money I would run traps at 4am EVERY DAY and agin in the evening to change things and check again when we moved to out in the country I would run traps on the way to school 3 miles away EVERY DAY and I have Trapped ever since I used to take a 30 day Leave of absence from GM to coon hunt and trap made enough to pay the bills and keep my sanity from a factory job I hated I probably caught the first Beaver in Pendleton In that had been caught in 100 yrs caught a badger at pendleton in the early 70,s talk about a mean sob but turned it loose so when I say you dont leave something in a trap for 4 days that come from a Lifelong trapper that has been there ,done that, got the t-shirt responce
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 12:51:19 GMT -5
Been a proud trapper for 40 years and never seen it as a hassle, a lot of hard, but rewarding and enjoyable work. Do what you love and it isn't work. I understand. I am far too tender-hearted to enjoy trapping. I wouldn't have it in me to walk up on live animals in traps and have to dispatch them face-to-face. No disrespect to those who do it. I'm just too big of a wuss myself. |
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Post by duff on Feb 12, 2015 17:32:23 GMT -5
He was running trap line every day. He called the CO the 1st day and was told the CO would come out. But did not. Checked on 2 day and 3 day as well. And each day called the CO is my understanding. He shot cat on 3rd day as he said it appeared to have broken it's front leg. Removed cat and brought to his house where the CO finally came to pick up am week later. He also called the Co and told him he shot the cat and why. Not really if he was leaving critters in his trap... |
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 12, 2015 18:18:40 GMT -5
Been a proud trapper for 40 years and never seen it as a hassle, a lot of hard, but rewarding and enjoyable work. Do what you love and it isn't work. I understand. I am far too tender-hearted to enjoy trapping. I wouldn't have it in me to walk up on live animals in traps and have to dispatch them face-to-face. No disrespect to those who do it. I'm just too big of a wuss myself. I'm just lazy! |
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Post by fowlhunter on Feb 14, 2015 13:48:18 GMT -5
If you are not capable of releasing non target animals you shouldn't be trapping period. Makes me wonder what he was doing with other non target species and domestic animals.
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Post by chubwub on Feb 14, 2015 20:23:59 GMT -5
^^ A little harsh and judgemental don't you think? Not all incidental catches are created equal. Should I not be allowed to trap because I am pretty sure I am incapable of releasing a bear, cougar or wolf by myself?
A dog/pet familar with human handling is a completely different ballgame from a wild animal. You know nothing about this man except the fact that he made a mistake and was HONEST about it. He could have just as easily killed the bobcat, dumped it and lied to the CO and say he set it free. At any point before the CO had the "proof" in his hand he could have dumped it and probably gotten away with it.
With that kind of attitude then no one would ever be allowed to trap, forget teaching young people or women like me or handicap people.
We all had to start somewhere. We all screw up at some point and time. Being cocky about releasing animals in traps is how you set yourself up for injury.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 14, 2015 20:53:31 GMT -5
Not being there it's a little tough to judge... Sounds like this guy is a new trapper and did not plan ahead for this kind of an incident. I would think a bobcat would be the toughest animal in Indiana to release from a trap..
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