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Post by M4Madness on Dec 23, 2022 11:06:26 GMT -5
I've been watching a lot of deer recovery videos by this Ohio guy with his thermal-equipped drone: youtu.be/nIzXatqQlGYHe uses thermal imaging and nightvision to locate wounded/dead deer. As the owner of thermal and nightvision devices (sadly no drone), I can understand how beneficial this equipment can be. It is a shame that Indiana prohibits the use of thermal imaging in wounded/dead deer recoveries. |
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 23, 2022 12:18:34 GMT -5
Technically any deer harvested or recovered with aid of a electronic device would not be eligible for Pope and Young or Boone and Crockett record books last I checked.
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Post by duff on Dec 23, 2022 17:55:41 GMT -5
I would gladly take a recovered deer vs an entry in a book.
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Post by titanium700 on Dec 23, 2022 18:22:29 GMT -5
Me too.
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Post by boonechaser on Dec 23, 2022 18:25:09 GMT -5
I would gladly take a recovered deer vs an entry in a book. True , but in most states it's illegal to use electronic devices to recover game. Indiana is one of them. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 23, 2022 18:46:05 GMT -5
It could be reworded to allow recovery of a dead deer.
It would be great to recover a deer in a big CRP field.
The problem would come if the drone spotted the wounded deer and it wasn’t dead. Then what? If the hunter slipped in to finish it off then the drone assisted in the kill, not the recovery.
The year they passed the code to not allow infrared they passed a code to allow leashed dogs to trail wounded deer. I guess one could apply the same scenario to the the dog. If the dog found the deer and it wasn’t dead and the hunter finished it off was that hunting with the aid of a dog? I think there is a code against that too?
A real sticky wicket.
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Post by esshup on Dec 24, 2022 1:47:09 GMT -5
It could be reworded to allow recovery of a dead deer. It would be great to recover a deer in a big CRP field. The problem would come if the drone spotted the wounded deer and it wasn’t dead. Then what? If the hunter slipped in to finish it off then the drone assisted in the kill, not the recovery. The year they passed the code to not allow infrared they passed a code to allow leashed dogs to trail wounded deer. I guess one could apply the same scenario to the the dog. If the dog found the deer and it wasn’t dead and the hunter finished it off was that hunting with the aid of a dog? I think there is a code against that too? A real sticky wicket. I'll bet there are more infrared devices out there than dogs to track deer. What's the law regarding wanton waste? Sticky wicket indeed. |
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Post by span870 on Dec 24, 2022 4:37:50 GMT -5
It could be reworded to allow recovery of a dead deer. It would be great to recover a deer in a big CRP field. The problem would come if the drone spotted the wounded deer and it wasn’t dead. Then what? If the hunter slipped in to finish it off then the drone assisted in the kill, not the recovery. The year they passed the code to not allow infrared they passed a code to allow leashed dogs to trail wounded deer. I guess one could apply the same scenario to the the dog. If the dog found the deer and it wasn’t dead and the hunter finished it off was that hunting with the aid of a dog? I think there is a code against that too? A real sticky wicket. Always wondered how that whole deer/dog recovery thing worked with wounded deer. To me once the dog jumps the deer, then at that point, you are hunting with the aide of a dog. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 24, 2022 7:43:11 GMT -5
It could be reworded to allow recovery of a dead deer. It would be great to recover a deer in a big CRP field. The problem would come if the drone spotted the wounded deer and it wasn’t dead. Then what? If the hunter slipped in to finish it off then the drone assisted in the kill, not the recovery. The year they passed the code to not allow infrared they passed a code to allow leashed dogs to trail wounded deer. I guess one could apply the same scenario to the the dog. If the dog found the deer and it wasn’t dead and the hunter finished it off was that hunting with the aid of a dog? I think there is a code against that too? A real sticky wicket. Always wondered how that whole deer/dog recovery thing worked with wounded deer. To me once the dog jumps the deer, then at that point, you are hunting with the aide of a dog. If you shoot when it jumps up then yes…That’s not legal IMO As long as the Dog in keep on the lease then I say you legal for just tracking. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 24, 2022 8:15:54 GMT -5
It could be reworded to allow recovery of a dead deer. It would be great to recover a deer in a big CRP field. The problem would come if the drone spotted the wounded deer and it wasn’t dead. Then what? If the hunter slipped in to finish it off then the drone assisted in the kill, not the recovery. The year they passed the code to not allow infrared they passed a code to allow leashed dogs to trail wounded deer. I guess one could apply the same scenario to the the dog. If the dog found the deer and it wasn’t dead and the hunter finished it off was that hunting with the aid of a dog? I think there is a code against that too? A real sticky wicket. I'll bet there are more infrared devices out there than dogs to track deer. What's the law regarding wanton waste? Sticky wicket indeed. Wanton waste means.... “to intentionally waste something negligently or inappropriately.” "waste" means to intentionally leave a wounded or killed animal in the field or forest without making a reasonable effort to retrieve and render it for consumption or use. |
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Post by greghopper on Dec 24, 2022 11:01:26 GMT -5
“a person may not knowingly use an unmanned aerial vehicle (as defined by IC 35-31.5-2-342.3) to search for, scout, locate, or detect a wild animal to which the hunting season applies as an aid to take the wild animal”. hunt-indiana.com/thread/62724/radios-deer-hunting |
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Post by parkerbow on Dec 25, 2022 12:24:56 GMT -5
“a person may not knowingly use an unmanned aerial vehicle (as defined by IC 35-31.5-2-342.3) to search for, scout, locate, or detect a wild animal to which the hunting season applies as an aid to take the wild animal”. hunt-indiana.com/thread/62724/radios-deer-huntingI don't see much differece in when people use a realtime cell camera and it sends a pic to your phone when a deer wlaks past your stand and then you go in that stand or area and kill the deer a few hours or a day later. Just my opinion. You are using a device that is unmanned to scout or loacte a wild animal in season. I alos don't like spotlighting being leagal during the season either even though you don't have a weapon with you. |
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 25, 2022 16:53:12 GMT -5
I've been watching a lot of deer recovery videos by this Ohio guy with his thermal-equipped drone: youtu.be/nIzXatqQlGYHe uses thermal imaging and nightvision to locate wounded/dead deer. As the owner of thermal and nightvision devices (sadly no drone), I can understand how beneficial this equipment can be. It is a shame that Indiana prohibits the use of thermal imaging in wounded/dead deer recoveries. That has been a pretty interesting series to watch. |
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 25, 2022 17:18:13 GMT -5
That has been a pretty interesting series to watch. I've probably watched 90% of his videos. He is either from an Ohio Amish community, or at least closely associated with them -- he speaks Pennsylvania Dutch at times in the videos. My thermal and nightvision is of the same optical quality as his, but mine is "handheld" (rifle and helmet mounted.) Sadly, the State won't let me assist in deer recoveries with them, and without a drone, I'd be limited anyway. |
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Post by jtkelly on Dec 25, 2022 17:45:37 GMT -5
I've been watching a lot of deer recovery videos by this Ohio guy with his thermal-equipped drone: youtu.be/nIzXatqQlGYHe uses thermal imaging and nightvision to locate wounded/dead deer. As the owner of thermal and nightvision devices (sadly no drone), I can understand how beneficial this equipment can be. It is a shame that Indiana prohibits the use of thermal imaging in wounded/dead deer recoveries. It is a shame so many people NEED it. |
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Post by jtkelly on Dec 25, 2022 17:51:17 GMT -5
Always wondered how that whole deer/dog recovery thing worked with wounded deer. To me once the dog jumps the deer, then at that point, you are hunting with the aide of a dog. If you shoot when it jumps up then yes…That’s not legal IMO As long as the Dog in keep on the lease then I say you legal for just tracking. I don't think you allowed to carry a weapon while you are tracking a deer with a dog. If you have a weapon, you are hunting. If not, you are tracking.
Probably is or should be the same with the drone. If you are searching for a dead deer with a drone, you don't need a weapon for that. If you are carrying a weapon, you are hunting. Not acceptable.
Only my own best guess. Ask the CO, he gives the tickets. It don't really matter what I think.
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Post by genesis273 on Dec 25, 2022 18:55:37 GMT -5
I understand the rules are rules. But, I think this could help recover more animals. Sure, like anything else, there are those that would twist, then and manipulate the system with them but, I can't say I'm against using drones to help recover animals.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 25, 2022 19:14:30 GMT -5
I understand the rules are rules. But, I think this could help recover more animals. Sure, like anything else, there are those that would twist, then and manipulate the system with them but, I can't say I'm against using drones to help recover animals. I'd be content with just using a handheld unit. Chances are good that I'd never need to use one for that purpose, but it'd be nice to have that in one's tracking arsenal. |
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Post by michaelc on Dec 25, 2022 20:13:41 GMT -5
Well I look at it this way, anything can happen in the dark. If I'm using my dog to recover my harvest or someone else's, I'm not going to be out there with just a dog and a leash forget it
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 25, 2022 20:53:43 GMT -5
We’ve had a lot of regulations banning things because of what we might do. As I understand it the infrared ban was because of the thinking that one might use it to find a deer to shoot.
An example once upon a time we couldn’t carry our permitted handgun while bowhunting because we just might shoot a deer with it. It took a 2nd Amendment believing DNR Director to change that and while he was at it he made it legal to carry in state parks.
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