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Post by den57 on Jul 26, 2009 14:31:33 GMT -5
X2 Duff
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 27, 2009 7:52:09 GMT -5
I don't buy the comparison to gun ownership rights. One way to remedy the situation is some sort of screening along county roads, like a double row of white pines.
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 27, 2009 8:00:19 GMT -5
a SMART poacher wouldnt dream of using a white spotlight. Red ones light em up without the bright white line pointing back to the shooter that can be seen for miles, the smart ones with money use night vision.
99% of spotlighters are legal
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 8:27:27 GMT -5
a SMART poacher wouldnt dream of using a white spotlight. Red ones light em up without the bright white line pointing back to the shooter that can be seen for miles, the smart ones with money use night vision. 99% of spotlighters are legal And you know this to be true HOW? Can you verify the 99% number? ? Here's one that has happen on the ground that I have. Spotlighters in one vehicle with no gun, which is completely legal. The shooters were in another vehicle. In my opinion, they are all poachers and should be treated as such. The spotlight facilitates poaching, has for years and years. Eliminate it and you take away one group that could be influenced to break the law and kill a blinded deer in a spotlight beam.
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Post by throbak on Jul 27, 2009 9:12:50 GMT -5
I'm glad to see someone on the same page as me timex ;D on the screen white pines are slow to get the desired results .I used Alamo switch grass second year I have a 8 ft. screen can not see any thing but grass Remember the Alamo
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 27, 2009 9:16:45 GMT -5
a SMART poacher wouldnt dream of using a white spotlight. Red ones light em up without the bright white line pointing back to the shooter that can be seen for miles, the smart ones with money use night vision. 99% of spotlighters are legal And you know this to be true HOW? Can you verify the 99% number? ? Here's one that has happen on the ground that I have. Spotlighters in one vehicle with no gun, which is completely legal. The shooters were in another vehicle. In my opinion, they are all poachers and should be treated as such. The spotlight facilitates poaching, has for years and years. Eliminate it and you take away one group that could be influenced to break the law and kill a blinded deer in a spotlight beam. I was a Conservation Law Enforcement major in college, learned alot there the GUN facilitates murder, has for years and years. eliminate them and you take away a group that could be influenced to break the law and murder in the blink of an eye get my point?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 9:34:10 GMT -5
That's true.....I remeber a spotlighter that tried to murder a Ky. CO at Yellowbank WMA one night. The officer recieved a belly full of OO buck but did live. Of course not all of the poachers will shoot at LEOs but some will, so why try to regulate it.......get the point?
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Post by danf on Jul 27, 2009 9:46:57 GMT -5
Except for the "AIDING" and "ABETTING" aspect. I'm sure any decent CO would nail all involved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 10:05:31 GMT -5
If he can get there in time, and if the poachers don't leave in different directions.....lot's of IF's and dead deer on the side. Too me, it's seems it's not worth the trouble for a few to have some entertainment.
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Post by trapperdave on Jul 27, 2009 11:46:04 GMT -5
That's true.....I remeber a spotlighter that tried to murder a Ky. CO at Yellowbank WMA one night. The officer recieved a belly full of OO buck but did live. Of course not all of the poachers will shoot at LEOs but some will, so why try to regulate it.......get the point? nope
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Post by firstwd on Jul 27, 2009 12:27:43 GMT -5
Let's bring this back to the POINT of the thread, spotlighting. Poaching is and will always be illegal. Not all spotlighters are poachers and certainly not all poachers are spotlighters. I would dare to guess that a low percentage of poached game (game taken illegally) is done with a spotlight.
Currently spotlighting is not illegal.
Are spotlights useful tools?
Is spotlighting wrong and therefor should be outlawed?
If so, Why is spotlighting wrong?
When answering the questions please remember that just because you may see spotlighters a just people shining deer, that spotlights are used by several different sportsmen throughout the year for other things.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 27, 2009 12:38:56 GMT -5
Throbak, your location shows S.E. Indiana, that puts you in District 9. If you are having this much trouble with POACHERS then one simple phone call the the DNR can solve it. I have worked with just about all of the D9 officers and each and every one is more than happy and willing to resolve landowner's issues with game law violators.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 13:20:04 GMT -5
Are spotlights useful tools? Is spotlighting wrong and therefor should be outlawed? If so, Why is spotlighting wrong? . A1 -- sure are, but not for scouting deer and molesting deer or even viewing deer. A2 -- Sure is wrong when used in the wrong way, which is a lot of times. I'll bet that CO's stop and make cases against a lot of road hunting and spotlighters each year when their time could be better spent in the day time. A3 -- Every deer that has a light on him is harrassed and most of the time has his feeding or other busy interrupted. Some of them will no doubt flee the area. Not sure why anyone would want to run the deer off with a light, unless it's from a place they don't have access to hunt. That's one reason why, there are more.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 27, 2009 13:24:17 GMT -5
Correct me if I am reading your answers wrong timex, but it looks to me like you don't have a problem with spotlight in general, just spotlighting deer.
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Post by duff on Jul 27, 2009 13:36:13 GMT -5
Good job firstwd.
I am done with this thread from here on out. There has been absolutely no significant fact spewed by those in favor of banning spotlighting (still makes me laugh that some want the state to regulate where we can or can not point a flashlight) that will change my mind.
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Post by jkd on Jul 27, 2009 14:43:53 GMT -5
With deer, there is no reason for someone to scout property he doesn't have access to, be it with a light or not. Period. You want to scout deer, do it where you hunt. Shine your own property. I'll bet your success goes down a bunch if you do it there. Timex - thank you! My point exactly... Duff and others keep saying "why shouldn't they be able to...", hence my unanswered question... what is the logic in shining property you don't own and won't be having permission to hunt? What does that gain, other than potentially causing problems for the landowner relative to spooked deer or hunters getting shot at on that property? And once a group of deer have been shot at under a light, the behaviour of all deer in that group changes from then on, and that's a fact... "Why shouldn't they..." isn't an answer... those thinking this is a great thing to do, please explain to me you're reasoning...
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Post by jkd on Jul 27, 2009 14:48:15 GMT -5
whether you want to believe it or not people spotlight to shoot deer.And if it were against the law, and if you did it you would be subject to arrest. Most of you have not seen the constant parade of spot lighters nite after nite that shine your house, your livestock, turning around in your driveway,just to view a nice buck .and then it quits, the deer every one was interested in was poached ,he was shot on my land halfway down my mile long drive.the parade stops, by the way none of my neighbors are to happy with the lites either. do you think maybe KY.s getting big bucks. might be because they are not allowed to VIEW at nite with spotlights Precisely... Right there in the boat with you, T-bak... a bull and two cows shot a couple of years back in my pasture during first week of gun season...
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 27, 2009 15:15:51 GMT -5
It is usefull during the rut, if you are in camp and hunting and not seeing much but you know it is on. Again, this is on ground you hunt with permission from the owner. When the bucks are rutting, the light isn't going to bother them and it could clue you in on where the big one is the next day, maybe. I could do without it, either way.
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Post by raporter on Jul 27, 2009 16:03:45 GMT -5
I would think a very low percentage of the shiners are doing it for scouting purposes. We just enjoy seeing deer, foxes, coyotes, etc. To me it is a lot like fishing and doing catch and release. Got to see them then let them go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2009 16:28:34 GMT -5
Correct me if I am reading your answers wrong timex, but it looks to me like you don't have a problem with spotlight in general, just spotlighting deer. Correct, spotlights won't be made illegal to own or use, but at some point in time their use will be restricted.
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