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Post by cambygsp on Dec 13, 2009 8:04:20 GMT -5
Who has a mineral site on their property?
If you brought the mineral in, is it baiting?
The law says any bait must be removed 10 days prior to hunting....."and any affected soil must also be removed".
I would bet you............... that many folks are not digging up ground, ....................they may quit adding mineral during hunting season, but you see many pics where deer are still digging at that ground or the old tree stump.
Several conservation officers have stated that even if you hunt a trail that leads to a bait site, you are "baiting"...........so if you say "I don't hunt over the spot".....that really don't mean anything........your still hunting a trail that leads to it somehow, someway.
with baiting being unlawfull in Indiana, we should have cut and dry rules on baiting........It really amazes me on how much mineral & baiting stuff sporting goods stores are stocking, considering its unlawfull
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Dec 13, 2009 8:08:48 GMT -5
It really amazes me on how much mineral & baiting stuff sporting goods stores are stocking, considering its unlawfull But it's not unlawfulful to sell or use when used within the guidlines.
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Post by tickman1961 on Dec 13, 2009 8:24:02 GMT -5
Truth......
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Post by jgrimm on Dec 13, 2009 8:52:09 GMT -5
I do not understand why you can hunt over a crop field or a man made food plot but you cant hunt over a bait pile. it is one in the same to me.
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Post by whitetail1 on Dec 13, 2009 10:28:52 GMT -5
It really amazes me on how much mineral & baiting stuff sporting goods stores are stocking, considering its unlawfull But it's not unlawfulful to sell or use when used within the guidlines. I agree with Hoosier Hunter. There is absolutely nothing unlawful in selling and/or using these products. It's only unlawful if you hunt over them.
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Post by raporter on Dec 13, 2009 10:35:58 GMT -5
I do not understand why you can hunt over a crop field or a man made food plot but you cant hunt over a bait pile. it is one in the same to me. I agree. Stupid laws that need to be changed.
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 13, 2009 10:36:59 GMT -5
But it's not unlawfulful to sell or use when used within the guidlines. I agree with Hoosier Hunter. There is absolutely nothing unlawful in selling and/or using these products. It's only unlawful if you hunt over them. Nope! your wrong! I will repeat................. If you are hunting over a TRAIL that leads to the mineral site you are baiting.......there is no certian distance that has been established to make you legal.
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Post by whitetail1 on Dec 13, 2009 10:45:48 GMT -5
I agree with Hoosier Hunter. There is absolutely nothing unlawful in selling and/or using these products. It's only unlawful if you hunt over them. Nope! your wrong! I will repeat................. If you are hunting over a TRAIL that leads to the mineral site you are baiting.......there is no certian distance that has been established to make you legal. Nope, I'm not wrong. I NEVER said that hunting over a trail that leads to the mineral site was legal. Go back and re-read what I posted. The point of Hoosier Hunter's post and mine was that it is not illegal to sell or use those products as long as they are used in a lawful manner. As a matter of fact, I KNOW, as you seem to, that hunting over a trail leading to a mineral site is just as illegal as hunting over the site itself. Where you are WRONG is your belief that it is illegal for people to use minerals. It is not illegal for people to use minerals or bait to attact deer, as long as they do not hunt over the bait OR the trails leading to that bait. It seems like you are not able to distinguish between the two. I know several people who buy those products to attract and watch deer and they don't hunt ANYTHING! In your opinion, are they doing anything illegal?
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Post by powderfinger on Dec 13, 2009 10:55:43 GMT -5
Stop trying to manipulate a WILD animal and just stick to hunting that WILD animal and you will have no legal worries.
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Post by whitetail1 on Dec 13, 2009 11:01:51 GMT -5
Stop trying to manipulate a WILD animal and just stick to hunting that WILD animal and you will have no legal worries. I agree 100%. I don't try to manipulate any wild animal. As a matter of fact, I've never used any baiting products or minerals on any property I've ever hunted. I don't agree with it and don't agree with people trying to manipulate the law when using bait. But I also don't like Camby telling me that I'm wrong when I clearly am not. While using bait in a hunting situation is illegal, simply using that bait for a purpose other than hunting is not illegal.
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Post by throbak on Dec 13, 2009 13:54:37 GMT -5
hunting over a bait pile that was brought in from who knows where ,laid in a Pile and left to rot if not eaten ,and hunting over something that was let to mature over several months and hunted over . is not the same. a food plot is a long process, a bait pile in Indiana is a lazy cheap thing to want to be legal
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Post by Decatur on Dec 13, 2009 14:25:11 GMT -5
hunting over a bait pile that was brought in from who knows where ,laid in a Pile and left to rot if not eaten ,and hunting over something that was let to mature over several months and hunted over . is not the same. a food plot is a long process, a bait pile in Indiana is a lazy cheap thing to want to be legal A good food plot takes a lot of hard work and usually a not so cheap financial investment. It is not the same at all!
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Post by tickman1961 on Dec 13, 2009 15:44:30 GMT -5
Many folks who do not kill animals still like to watch them. The simple fact someone has a bird feeder and enjoys looking at birds does not mean they are killing the birds. It has been my experience the bird feeder gets visited by many more critters than birds including squirrels, raccoons, geese and deer. I would say many folks who use trail cameras to take pictures of deer have no intention of hunting those deer.
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 13, 2009 17:21:57 GMT -5
If the placed mineral site is on the property you hunt, I would bet just about any deer trail on that property would somehow lead to the site. All the deer trails I ever seen all connect somewhere.
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Post by INDeerhunter on Dec 13, 2009 18:48:46 GMT -5
What exactly is the point of this conversation was it posted just to stir an issue up of what is right from wrong ? The way I am seein here is that minerals or "bait" is also used to aid in the growth and health of the animals on that property which in some areas is needed just on the number of deer and not sufficent food sources to provide for those deer and othe wild animals. Whether or not some ppl use minearls and bait to attract deer then legally hunt that area or illegally hunt that area is pointless to argue we all will never agree on everything ! Food plots are the same way they are planted to raise the growth and health of the deer and also to attract deer to that area. Same as crop fields planted to harvest they too attract deer so is it illegal to hunt over a crop field or food plot, what is the difference ? opininons are like a**holes every one has one and they all stink LMAO ! just my 2 cents !
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Post by UrbanArcher82 on Dec 13, 2009 20:58:30 GMT -5
In a crop or food plot your not just hunting one certain spot and a bait pile concentrates them in one spot plus deer would rather lick a mineral lick then eat in a field......now if you have a natural mineral its legal correct?
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Post by Indyhunter on Dec 13, 2009 23:50:53 GMT -5
Camby, you may have a valid point or two, but the overall issue isn't that hard to figure out. The two biggest problems are the "hunting over" and "leading to" comments that are left to each individual CO's discretion. Many of Indiana's hunting laws are left to personal discretion and are situational per officer. That doesn't make it easy or right, but that's the way it is. No doubt that it can vary widely from one officer to the next, but I think overall there is consistency. Placing "bait/minerals/etc is not against the law. How you choose the use the product can be against the law. Not much different than other products people use such as alcohol/tobacco etc. Those are legal products to sell/buy and can be used legally (for now)....... depending how and where (which can also involve officer discretion). Putting a 10 pound salt block/mineral lick out in the middle of the woods is much different than working the land and planting seeds that you hope will grow depending on soil and weather conditions. Mineral licks can be used for a variety of purposes other than baiting deer to hunt over, therefore they are legal to buy and sell. 30-06 shells are illegal to put in a rifle and hunt deer with in Indiana, yet are legal for other purposes and therefore are sold legally here. I do not get your overall confusion.
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Post by kdog8173 on Dec 14, 2009 5:31:08 GMT -5
ive got a mineral block and a decoy in my back yard trying to get the deer to gome to my back yard..NOT to shoot, but to enjoy the beauty of them and for the kids and wife..they havent came up yet...dont think it will happen..supprised coyote dont eat the block
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Dec 14, 2009 6:26:37 GMT -5
I do not get your overall confusion. I think most of us do. Your post was well said and very true about "Many of Indiana's hunting laws are left to personal discretion and are situational per officer"
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Post by js2397 on Dec 14, 2009 8:10:17 GMT -5
I have a question. It says anything done under normal agricultural practices. Is that normal for all farmers or just normal for any individual farmer. What if I normally harvest corn and dump it in the field in a pile? That is normal for me, so would it be ok to hunt over the pile?
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