|
|
Post by raporter on Dec 14, 2009 15:42:35 GMT -5
"If you don't like it, petition to get the law changed or hunt in a state that allows baiting"
I would like to try Buster. Even though I have stated many times that I would not hunt over bait even if legal I see no reason to keep having this same stupid discussion. Let's get it legalized and quit putting our COs in the position of deciding if something is or is not legal. I would rather see the COs using thier time catching idiots that shoot Whooping cranes or catching road hunters with the remote deer.
Anyone else for trying to change this law?
|
|
|
|
Post by INDeerhunter on Dec 14, 2009 15:52:35 GMT -5
I dont care if they change the law or not... I guess if it helps the ppl that use bait harvest a deer then change the law, one way or the other I dont buy or use any licks, bagged bait or anything else, I almost never hunt near a corn or bean field I would rather be in the woods, where I have invested the time and effort to locate the places the deer are travvelin and try foolin them into walkin by my stand. To each there own I guess, petition to change it if u are wantin to use bait otherwise just dont use the bait and you wont have to worry if u are doing it legally or illegally. For those of u that use licks and bait to get deer to for u to watch in ur back yards I see no problem with that purpose, and for plantin trees I dont exactly see how that poses a problem of baitin ! Im no CO or tdo I claim to be but I try and stay up on the laws and abide by them, therefore I dont try and use bait no matter the time of yr or with the intention to harvest a deer, I just do it the old fashion way I guess use my plat maps aerial photos topo maps and a whole lot of time in the woods throughout the year scoutin the places I intend on hunting and let mother nature decide the rest
|
|
|
|
Post by buster on Dec 14, 2009 15:54:59 GMT -5
We are equal opportunity idiot catchers, whether they are shooting eagles, whooping cranes or hunting deer over bait. We DO NOT discriminate against ANY types of IDIOTS!
|
|
|
|
Post by raporter on Dec 14, 2009 16:00:18 GMT -5
Buckbuster I do not use bait either and wont even if legal. I think all this got started when some hunters found salt being put in places where they hunt. Quite possibly trying to set them up for arrest. If arrested how would you prove it wasn't yours?
|
|
|
|
Post by Indyhunter on Dec 15, 2009 0:14:14 GMT -5
BTW - With nothing on the net or TV I watched a "deer hunting show". In that the land owners/hunters of the gorund bush hogged the first 12 rows around a standing corn field and then hunted it. This was in late season with snow on the ground. They then went to waylaying the bigger buck deer that fogged into the field with MZs. IMO - that was baiting deer, but was perfectly legal in that state because they did not carry in corn to bait. Tell me the difference. Has to be a difference...The Indiana DNR can plant corn,wheat,millet,sunflower etc, for the purpose of bush hogging those crops a week before dove season for the sole purpose of allowing any hunter lucky enough to get drawn to hunt a Federally managed migratory bird. Cut and dry, right? |
|
|
|
Post by kdog8173 on Dec 15, 2009 5:23:16 GMT -5
good ? raporter..i could see that with the troubles i had on 1 of my grounds...
|
|
|
|
Post by raporter on Dec 15, 2009 10:07:38 GMT -5
good ? raporter..i could see that with the troubles i had on 1 of my grounds... I just hate stupid, worthless laws that have the potential to cause all kinds of bad things with very little to no good which can come from them. |
|
|
|
Post by js2397 on Dec 15, 2009 10:15:13 GMT -5
good ? raporter..i could see that with the troubles i had on 1 of my grounds... I just hate stupid, worthless laws that have the potential to cause all kinds of bad things with very little to no good which can come from them. Allow or not doesn't matter to me. I just wish the law would use stronger language that was less vague. |
|
|
|
Post by tenring on Dec 16, 2009 17:19:38 GMT -5
 for Buster! |
|
|
|
Post by indianahick on Dec 16, 2009 17:46:30 GMT -5
Change the law. Make it legal and take the gray areas away from the CO. CO's don't usually lose in court.
|
|
|
|
Post by cambygsp on Dec 17, 2009 6:26:19 GMT -5
Change the law. Make it legal and take the gray areas away from the CO. CO's don't usually lose in court. Loose or not loose........who can afford to fight it? An attorney is what $150.00 - $200.00 per hour......... Heck in one court in Marion County they tell you.................... If you fight your case and loose you will be paying $500.00 +++ in fines and costs......if you just say your guilty now.....it will only be $150.00............... |
|
|
|
Post by huntingman on Dec 17, 2009 6:49:48 GMT -5
Stop trying to manipulate a WILD animal and just stick to hunting that WILD animal and you will have no legal worries. I agree 100%. I don't try to manipulate any wild animal. As a matter of fact, I've never used any baiting products or minerals on any property I've ever hunted. I don't agree with it and don't agree with people trying to manipulate the law when using bait. But I also don't like Camby telling me that I'm wrong when I clearly am not. While using bait in a hunting situation is illegal, simply using that bait for a purpose other than hunting is not illegal. |
|
|
|
Post by huntingman on Dec 17, 2009 6:52:00 GMT -5
dang did it wrong ohweel imeant |
|
|
|
Post by raporter on Dec 17, 2009 10:29:09 GMT -5
Change the law. Make it legal and take the gray areas away from the CO. CO's don't usually lose in court. Loose or not loose........who can afford to fight it? An attorney is what $150.00 - $200.00 per hour......... Heck in one court in Marion County they tell you.................... If you fight your case and loose you will be paying $500.00 +++ in fines and costs......if you just say your guilty now.....it will only be $150.00............... Great system isn't it?  |
|
|
|
Post by freedomhunter on Dec 17, 2009 10:50:01 GMT -5
too much is left up to discretion, like hunting near cattle blocks, hunting near the neighbor that puts out food (no control), how long is the soil affected and how much needs removed. Considering food plots are just expensive bait (imo), might as well make baiting legal, imo. I put out a trophy rock before season, it was gone in a week, never saw a buck on it. Put out food plots on one property never hunted anywhere near them, but they kept the deer around.
|
|
|
|
Post by vectrix on Dec 17, 2009 16:02:12 GMT -5
I have dealt with Buster on a few occasion, been checked for licenses by him. Hes as fair as the day is long, actually one of the better ones. I see where he's at, rules arent clear enough, season ain't long enough, when does it end?
|
|
|
|
Post by indianahick on Dec 17, 2009 16:07:25 GMT -5
Yup change the law to allow the usage of packaged deer products. Unfortunately Buster is more or less correct. Where he fails in his statement of get off of your lazy butts and invest in food plots. Food plots are only usable where the hunter either owns the land he hunts or the land owner will allow him to plant them. Many farmers don't want food plots attracting and hold deer on their property that is being done by their crops. They see the deer as taking money out of their pockets by eating their crops. I know because I have asked several farmers about hunting their property and maybe putting in a food plot. The answer was a resounding No usually filled with expletives.
|
|
|
|
Post by jgrimm on Dec 18, 2009 20:41:18 GMT -5
Sounds like it is okay to some if you work hard and spend alot of money it is okay to bait.( FOOD PLOT-PILE OF CORN=DEER COMING TO FEED IT IS ALL THE SAME......)
|
|
|
|
Post by js2397 on Dec 21, 2009 10:28:22 GMT -5
I have a question. It says anything done under normal agricultural practices. Is that normal for all farmers or just normal for any individual farmer. What if I normally harvest corn and dump it in the field in a pile? That is normal for me, so would it be ok to hunt over the pile? Hunting an orchard or another area, which may be attractive to deer as the result of normal agricultural activity, is not prohibited. This is what it says in the IAC book. According to that hunting over a food plot would not be legal since it is not normal to plant a crop just for deer. Every farmer I have ever known would not plant a crop unless they could make a profit. Allowing hunting over a food plot is a misinterpretation of the law. |
|
|
|
Post by buster on Dec 22, 2009 10:23:54 GMT -5
No, that is YOUR misinterpretation of the law.
|
|
