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Post by indianahick on Dec 17, 2009 15:37:25 GMT -5
I voted Yes. As for Ohio, Ill like I said befor they were and are anti firearms states. Look at their legislature. Look at their representatives in Washington. Lets get real and not be a one weapon only zealot. While I agree most hunters are long done by the middle of Dec there are many that aren't and they find shooting a bow in cold weather dog gone difficult. I do. As for having 8 doe limits why in the world would anyone want to kill more than they can easily eat in a year. I have myself, my wife, 2 grand daughters, one boyfriend and one crumb bum of a husband that I help feed. My goal for all of them is 3 deer. Yes 3. I don't know many people that want to eat deer 4 or 5 days a week. Heck I don't even want the best tasting steak that often. What does all of that have to do with extending ML to end of year? It means that if I have only gotten one deer it gives me a better chance to get a second. I don't have access to a hunting area where you see prodigious numbers of deer. Starting with opening of early archery to end of firearms I believe that I have only seen deer on maybe 15 days. Then the largest group was two. I believe that extending ML would benefit many people. As for lauding Ohio and how they take care of their here. Like I said just drive north out of Columbus on I-71. There is a dead deer on both sides of the road every 10 miles or less. At least all of the way to the Cleveland by pass. There are more auto killed deer on that stretch than from Terre Haute to Richmond and Terre Haute to Evansville combined. But hey what can you expect from an anti firearms state? Well they did bring in Crossbows to try to placate the firearms hunters. Poor Poor substitution. Ill is ran by Chicago. With the exception of the EHD epidemics the herd is healthy and growing. 10 to 13 days isn't going to hurt it. New Jersey?? Aren't they trying to kill off their deer to control the bears which they wont allow to be hunted. Yeah that is good thinking.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 17, 2009 15:49:31 GMT -5
Ok, Js thought Iowa numbers were a little skewed and owe by the way don't forget they have tons more deer to deal with. I like how they do their season which is about 70 days. Youth- Disabled early season- sept 19-oct 4th 15days Early ML is 9 days Late ML is 11 days Shotgun doesnt come in until Dec 5-9th wonder why? 5days second shotgun dec 12-20 9days resident-non resident antlerless only jan 11-31 20 days. Their version of bonus tags So by comparing these number what do we see class? Iowa has a 20 day ML Iowa has a split 14 day firearms season that does not start until dec 5th. Iowa takes care of their youth and disabled in sept. Instead of bonus tags they offer 20 days of doe only shooting in January, Oh also those 20 days are limited to qouta per county so more than likely a draw. Thanks, break out the popcorn boys and girls I'm starting a thread on how we should move gun back to dec 5th...LOL
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 17, 2009 15:58:54 GMT -5
We have plently of gun season now. It's nice to have a little break after muzzleloader closes. With it being cold and the only available weapon being a bow, the hunter numbers really drop.
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Post by schall53 on Dec 17, 2009 17:07:34 GMT -5
All I have to say is all of you that want the season longer and want alot more does killed must be over run with deer. I would kind a like to leave a few for next year. The deer population here in St Joseph Co. is finally getting about right, in my opinion. So what did they do make it an 8 deer bonus county. It must really be nice to see all kinds of deer everytime you go hunting, evidently thats what happens with most of you.
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Post by throbak on Dec 17, 2009 17:11:05 GMT -5
I voted NO I believe if you cant get the deer you need, or hunt as much as you want ,with seasons as they are. pestering the deer more than they all ready are, is not necessary. no ons thot of the DEER
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Post by racktracker on Dec 17, 2009 17:11:39 GMT -5
It iis not about killing more deer as it is having more time to hunt.
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Post by jabba on Dec 17, 2009 19:05:27 GMT -5
I don't want to kill more deer. I kill as many as I want now. That used to be 6 or 7 a year, when I had a lot of people in my group that couldn't fill their own freezers. I have guys in my group that don't have 2 nickles to rub together, and they butcher 7 or 8 deer a year and don't buy beef at all. We all tag our own deer, but after they are tagged, we sort of practice small group socialism. In the last 10 years or so... most of them have gotten to the point that they can kill more of their own deer. So, I don't kill as many. This year I have killed 4. A buck, that I had made all into snack sticks. (70 lbs of them to be precise) I butchered a small doe for my wife. I gave a small deer to a hunting buddy that had only killed one and wanted another, and I butchered a nice big doe for my crippled brother that didn't get to hunt this year at all, due to a broken leg in September. This was the 1st season that poor old has missed in close to 50 years. I am gonna try to hunt this weekend, and I have 2 days in Atterbury after Christmas, if I can kill a couple more I am gonna. The crippled guy wants another one, and I have another poor friend that has not gotten a deer yet this year, despite hunting with us, about 15 or 16 days. He's on the list for one too. I'd like to be able to hunt another weekend or three and spend last weekend and this weekend with the family. It'd take a lot of holiday pressure off me. I am a good husband and father... and I put them first, so when they need me, hunting goes on the back burner. Still, I feel like I am forgoing something important, and I sort of resent it. That's not thier fault, and I try not to allow myself to feel that way... but I do. So... for selfish reasons, I'd like to see ML extended thru the end of late Archery season. Plus, when the boy gets old enough, we could hunt all week the week between christmas, and new years, without taking off school. Jabba
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Post by greyghosthntr on Dec 18, 2009 0:55:01 GMT -5
Archery season is exactly as it implies.
Two weeks and three weekends of shotgun season and the same for muzzle loader isn't enough?
I honestly don't know why something like this would even be considered. This scenario will never get my blessing.
I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. Just expressing my personal opinion.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 18, 2009 3:01:21 GMT -5
You guys cant be serious, that voted no?? According to Hovey Lake Fish and Wildlife area, only 2% of the total harvest comes from late archery season, and thats on average. Also they have on average 94% less bow hunters during the late archery season. Granted this is info from a public hunting property here in southern posey county, but i'm sure the numbers aren't off much from state numbers as well.
You guys act as if keeping the season open 11 more days, is really gonna be puttin the hurt on the deer population.
Its amazing to me how some hunters can be soo selfish, extending the season for the youth hunters, would do wonders for our sport, and several generations to come!
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Post by indianaboy on Dec 18, 2009 3:32:51 GMT -5
It comes down to the added pressure on the deer herd. THey are trying to recoop from the rut and the hard core hunters that try to manage their deer dont want people out there potentially shooting a shed antlered buck with a ML that a bow hunter would have been able to tell what it was and not shot it...hopefully. Really that would be my only complaint to a longer ML season.. Which normally not to many bucks would be shed by that time anyway. Like said in other post the ML season and late archery season produce small percentage of the deer taken.
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Post by mrfixit on Dec 18, 2009 6:04:24 GMT -5
It iis not about killing more deer as it is having more time to hunt. That's exactly what it's all about!! The odds are no more deer would be killed it would just allow people to be more selective. To often people wait until the first day of gun, go out and shoot the first thing they see because 1} the prohibitive cost of the tag and 2} the season is so short they may not see another deer so you better get it while the gettin' is hot 3} the holidays are coming and family time is very demanding and not everyone has time to deal with it all and hunt. So in our quest for big antlers we are really shooting ourselves in the foot. We put all this pressure into a very short time period so there's really no time to really enjoy the hunt. As you get older and you start to realize the math. More time just to spend in the woods with the hope of seeing something worth dragging out becomes paramount. I'm 46 and if I'm lucky I might still be healthy enough to hunt when I'm 60. That's 14 more years. During gun season with all the other things going on I might be able to hunt 6 days/times {unfortunately I have to work for a living}. Not every time is all day but we will just say 6 days. 6x14=84. So if I'm lucky I'll be able to hunt another roughly 84 times with a shotgun/rifle. This whole thing isn't about killing more deer, I would only kill 2 to 3 deer a year regardless because that's more than enough for what I need. I just want more time to enjoy the outdoors with time to be more selective. Someday the sheer numbers will overcome you too and you'll realize it isn't about the kill but all about the hunt.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 18, 2009 6:53:11 GMT -5
Yes....and let anyone with any "unused" Deer tags use them!!!! Bow,Gun and so on!!!!!
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Post by vectrix on Dec 18, 2009 10:40:59 GMT -5
Archery season is exactly as it implies. Two weeks and three weekends of shotgun season and the same for muzzle loader isn't enough? I honestly don't know why something like this would even be considered. This scenario will never get my blessing. I am not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. Just expressing my personal opinion. Your wasting your time and breath on here, these are the same ones that don't the difference between baiting and not baiting
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Post by tickman1961 on Dec 18, 2009 11:24:27 GMT -5
You guys cant be serious, that voted no?? According to Hovey Lake Fish and Wildlife area, only 2% of the total harvest comes from late archery season, and thats on average. Also they have on average 94% less bow hunters during the late archery season. Granted this is info from a public hunting property here in southern posey county, but i'm sure the numbers aren't off much from state numbers as well. You guys act as if keeping the season open 11 more days, is really gonna be puttin the hurt on the deer population. Its amazing to me how some hunters can be soo selfish, extending the season for the youth hunters, would do wonders for our sport, and several generations to come! Because I say no I am selfish.... How about the gun hunter who wants more time to hunt during a time when bows and crossbows are in the woods. Who is being selfish and wanting more?
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 18, 2009 11:41:01 GMT -5
Gents,
Discuss the issue only please.
Do not attempt to assign reasons to the opposing person.
Thanks,
WW
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Post by js2397 on Dec 18, 2009 11:48:43 GMT -5
Ok, Js thought Iowa numbers were a little skewed and owe by the way don't forget they have tons more deer to deal with. I like how they do their season which is about 70 days. Youth- Disabled early season- sept 19-oct 4th 15days Early ML is 9 days Late ML is 11 days Shotgun doesnt come in until Dec 5-9th wonder why? 5days second shotgun dec 12-20 9days resident-non resident antlerless only jan 11-31 20 days. Their version of bonus tags So by comparing these number what do we see class? Iowa has a 20 day ML Iowa has a split 14 day firearms season that does not start until dec 5th. Iowa takes care of their youth and disabled in sept. Instead of bonus tags they offer 20 days of doe only shooting in January, Oh also those 20 days are limited to qouta per county so more than likely a draw. Thanks, break out the popcorn boys and girls I'm starting a thread on how we should move gun back to dec 5th...LOL I will start by saying I have appreciated the debate. You seem like a very knowledgeable and passionate hunter. The Iowa numbers are skewed a little so you probably could convince me that they should not be included. I don’t know how many more deer they have though. They hunt 2.5 times longer with guns than we do and the only harvest 1.25 times the amount of deer.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 18, 2009 12:31:44 GMT -5
You guys cant be serious, that voted no?? According to Hovey Lake Fish and Wildlife area, only 2% of the total harvest comes from late archery season, and thats on average. Also they have on average 94% less bow hunters during the late archery season. Granted this is info from a public hunting property here in southern posey county, but i'm sure the numbers aren't off much from state numbers as well. You guys act as if keeping the season open 11 more days, is really gonna be puttin the hurt on the deer population. Its amazing to me how some hunters can be soo selfish, extending the season for the youth hunters, would do wonders for our sport, and several generations to come! Because I say no I am selfish.... How about the gun hunter who wants more time to hunt during a time when bows and crossbows are in the woods. Who is being selfish and wanting more? From the info that i am get from the Division of Fish and Wildlife, its a fact that less 4% of bow hunters return to the woods in late archery season. Granted you and i might make up part of that 4%, but i would much rather be sucking it up in the inclement weather with a muzzy, than a bow of any kind. Actually, i'd much rather be sitting next to a kid and waiting for him to harvest an animal. Trying getting the youth involved in our sport, is extremely important to me, sorry if i get a lil' bit emotional about it. To me their is no greater feeling, than being with a youth when he takes a whitetail.
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Post by mrfixit on Dec 18, 2009 14:13:54 GMT -5
Archery season is exactly as it implies. Two weeks and three weekends of shotgun season and the same for muzzle loader isn't enough? . You are right, it's enough for people to go out the week before and buy ammo and a tag then wake up on Saturday morning, stop at the local cafe and get breakfast then head to the woods and shoot the first two or three they see get run by their stand. Then load up and go home lauding what a great year it was, how they shot up every deer they seen while showing off the 1 1/2 yr old 4/6 point they shot and making up excuses why they couldn't wait for an adult deer. Happens thousands more times every year than it should. Don't believe me, go hang out at a check-in station some opening morning. No wonder after 7+ years of the OBR our average buck kill is only around .3 years older. That''s right, around 3/10s of one year older. That works out to a couple months. There is so much pressure put on people to kill deer in three short weekends they just take the first thing they see and call it good because they won't have time to go out later without hearing about it and they already spent 50 bucks or more on tags and the ole lady is already on their arse about that. I'm not trying to be difficult I just can't comprehend some people's objections to offering more time afield and giving people more time to be selective.
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Post by indianahick on Dec 18, 2009 15:08:08 GMT -5
Extending the season, (yes i am for it) will not change how a whole lot of firearms hunters hunt opening weekend of firearms. For many of them that is their redemption for hunting archery and not scoring. For others that hunt firearms only their idea is to get in the woods, hunt their deer, and get back home and in the house where it is warm and be able to watch the Bears, Colts, Bengals, Patriots, or whomever on television. Not to mention all of the college games. As for the current and prevalent idea that only hard hunters carry about the deer or is it antlers they care about and getting their name is some book. What exactly would extending the ML season mean to the herd? In actuality much less than what the vaunted and inane OBR does. It might mean that maybe 100 more does are killed, that will not devastate the herd nor will it cause it to become extinct as some say. As for Iowa or Colorado or Kansas, or Arkansas, or the Dakotas who really cares. We Don't Live There. And if you want to hunt there and have the money to do so. Go for it.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 18, 2009 21:30:40 GMT -5
Ok, Js thought Iowa numbers were a little skewed and owe by the way don't forget they have tons more deer to deal with. I like how they do their season which is about 70 days. Youth- Disabled early season- sept 19-oct 4th 15days Early ML is 9 days Late ML is 11 days Shotgun doesnt come in until Dec 5-9th wonder why? 5days second shotgun dec 12-20 9days resident-non resident antlerless only jan 11-31 20 days. Their version of bonus tags So by comparing these number what do we see class? Iowa has a 20 day ML Iowa has a split 14 day firearms season that does not start until dec 5th. Iowa takes care of their youth and disabled in sept. Instead of bonus tags they offer 20 days of doe only shooting in January, Oh also those 20 days are limited to qouta per county so more than likely a draw. Thanks, break out the popcorn boys and girls I'm starting a thread on how we should move gun back to dec 5th...LOL I will start by saying I have appreciated the debate. You seem like a very knowledgeable and passionate hunter. The Iowa numbers are skewed a little so you probably could convince me that they should not be included. I don’t know how many more deer they have though. They hunt 2.5 times longer with guns than we do and the only harvest 1.25 times the amount of deer. Js, I see where you say 2.5 times longer but that is misleading to the point of the thread, let me explain. 15 days is youth-disabled in sept and early oct. My point here- that is not the argument on this thread. I would be all for 15 days of nothing but youth and handicap from sept to oct 3rd. Another 20 days is antlerless in January for resident- non resident. Thats 35 days out of 70. See my point? Ok, Iowa uses those 20 days in January as their "bonus tags" and those are on a draw system per county. When compared to Indiana who has some counties with 8 yes 8 bonus tags for every licensed hunter in that county, well I think any thinking man would see that the 20 days on a draw pales in comparison to indianas bonus tag system. What people call selfish and greedy equates to trying to save some for the future. I think if you were to look up greed it would say something about wanting more NOT LESS. But hey JS thanks for being civil and discussing my 2cents it's appreciated.
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