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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 17, 2009 11:04:47 GMT -5
In the other poll we kind of got crossed up in early and late archery season.
This one is about LATE ARCHERY SEASON ONLY.
Should the muzzleloader season be extended until the end of the late archery season?
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Post by HuntMeister on Dec 17, 2009 11:10:29 GMT -5
Woody I voted Yes but only if our DNR / biologists are favorable of it. On a personal level I would love more time in the woods. I have always said imy perfect season would be to hunt everyday of season and score a big buck in the last hours of the last day! Someone also posted in the previous thread about family / youth being able to hunt during their time off from work & school and I believe extending in the late season would do that and increase the total take...win win IMHO!!
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Post by Decatur on Dec 17, 2009 11:36:14 GMT -5
I also voted "yes", as long as the biologists are on board.
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Post by js2397 on Dec 17, 2009 11:46:35 GMT -5
I am a teacher so I only get off on holidays and weekends. Along with that we get 3 personal days per year. It would be nice for me if they extended the season so I could get out a little more.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 17, 2009 12:10:38 GMT -5
Of course I will play the bad guy, season is 106 days long. My point is, how much time is needed to kill a few deer? You are correct though Woody the last post did get crossed between late,early and late Oct. One thing I have noticed is this- I posted numbers from our neighboring states that everyone just seems to ignore. We are far and away blessed with more days afield toting a long gun than anyone around us and yet we still complain. I understand limited time, I work full time also. IMO though if you want to be successful , you have to sacrifice other things- my wife gets mad is NOT an excuse. I have a freshman who started and played every varsity football game this year and has played travel baseball for years. My 9 yr old daughter plays on two softball teams and I have a 5 yr old son, so I know what it's like to be busy. Is it the IDNR's job to set seasons around everyones busy schedule or is it our job to set around the dates they have set? I think most of the grumbling is coming from the guy who had unsuccessful seasons, check the last poll many stated that. Many had that type of year it was tough, but if you hunt hard it won't happen every year. What I am hearing sounds like this to me " The Colts didn't score enough in the 4 qtrs provided, maybe they should get 5 qtrs of football" To be honest by the time Dec rolls around I am tired of hunting, 3 months is plenty.
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Post by racktracker on Dec 17, 2009 12:30:38 GMT -5
Of course I will play the bad guy, season is 106 days long. My point is, how much time is needed to kill a few deer? You are correct though Woody the last post did get crossed between late,early and late Oct. One thing I have noticed is this- I posted numbers from our neighboring states that everyone just seems to ignore. We are far and away blessed with more days afield toting a long gun than anyone around us and yet we still complain. I understand limited time, I work full time also. IMO though if you want to be successful , you have to sacrifice other things- my wife gets mad is NOT an excuse. I have a freshman who started and played every varsity football game this year and has played travel baseball for years. My 9 yr old daughter plays on two softball teams and I have a 5 yr old son, so I know what it's like to be busy. Is it the IDNR's job to set seasons around everyones busy schedule or is it our job to set around the dates they have set? I think most of the grumbling is coming from the guy who had unsuccessful seasons, check the last poll many stated that. Many had that type of year it was tough, but if you hunt hard it won't happen every year. What I am hearing sounds like this to me " The Colts didn't score enough in the 4 qtrs provided, maybe they should get 5 qtrs of football" To be honest by the time Dec rolls around I am tired of hunting, 3 months is plenty. You do understand that once upon a time all we could gun hunt was a few days? There was no archery season as archery hunters had to hunt right along with the gun hunters for the three days that we could chase deer - bucks only. Why only three days? Because that is all the herd could stand. Times and things have changed. Each extension of the season has been brought forth by hunters wanting more time afield and the DNR has went along with it IF it did not harm the resource. I personally think the herd could stand a lot more hunting now. I am of the opinion that IF the deer biologist says that the herd can stand more hunting then by all means extend not only this season but others as well AND extend the present crossbow season throughout all of acrhery season.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 17, 2009 12:36:18 GMT -5
racktracker, you have brought up one point that has been overlooked. I can only speak or give an opinion on where I hunt. Maybe where you and others live you are seeing huge quantities of deer? I live in Hamilton County and as populated as it is I do not see the numbers I once did. I could see doing it by county which would make sense if they could support it.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 17, 2009 13:10:30 GMT -5
I think deer sightings and how your season went is too personalized to use it as a tool to justify any season extensions. I for one had a fantastic year. I cant think of but maybe 2 or 3 times when i sat in a stand and didnt at least SEE a deer. I would be willing to bet some of the guys around the land i hunt on would give a dismal picture of the deer numbers in the area. However I dont, scout much during season, I dont walk across open fields during the daylight at prime times, I dont drive close to where Im going to hunt, I dont get out of my stand early or come in late, I dont shoot at every passing deer I dont scout from a 4 wheeler or drive to my stand on one..... these are all things I see and hear from the properties around me. And I voted no on the MZ longer season.
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Post by js2397 on Dec 17, 2009 13:10:56 GMT -5
Of course I will play the bad guy, season is 106 days long. My point is, how much time is needed to kill a few deer? You are correct though Woody the last post did get crossed between late,early and late Oct. One thing I have noticed is this- I posted numbers from our neighboring states that everyone just seems to ignore. We are far and away blessed with more days afield toting a long gun than anyone around us and yet we still complain. Here are the number of days from other states. Some of them may have changed since I did this research last year. North Dakota 44 South Dakota 92 Nebraska 58 Minnesota 39 Ohio 20 Kansas 61 Indiana 34 Missouri 42 Illinois 16 Wisconsin 40 Michigan 55 Iowa 84 Alabama: 60 Connecticut: 61 Delaware: 55 Florida: 81 Georgia: 95 Idaho: 53 Kentucky 26 Louisiana: 86 Maine: 40 Maryland: 41 Massachusetts: 31 Mississippi: 70 Montana: 77 Nebraska: 48 New Hampshire: 38 New Jersey: 110 New York: 58 North Carolina: 87 North Dakota: 34 Oklahoma: 31 Pennsylvania: 42 Rhode Island: 44 South Carolina: 93 South Dakota: 85 Tennessee: 43 Texas 78 Vermont: 25 Virginia: 57 West Virginia: 29
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 17, 2009 13:23:45 GMT -5
Of course I will play the bad guy, season is 106 days long. My point is, how much time is needed to kill a few deer? You are correct though Woody the last post did get crossed between late,early and late Oct. One thing I have noticed is this- I posted numbers from our neighboring states that everyone just seems to ignore. We are far and away blessed with more days afield toting a long gun than anyone around us and yet we still complain. Here are the number of days from other states. Some of them may have changed since I did this research last year. ...................... WOW!!That averages to 51 days of deer hunting. Even going to the end of the year wth muzzleloaders wont get us to the average..
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 17, 2009 13:26:56 GMT -5
that is interesting info! I know IL and MO have some splits in the seasons and MO has a doe only rifle season. I wonder what the longest consecutive day season is or how we match up for that?
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Post by js2397 on Dec 17, 2009 13:51:11 GMT -5
that is interesting info! I know IL and MO have some splits in the seasons and MO has a doe only rifle season. I wonder what the longest consecutive day season is or how we match up for that? Some of those days include youth or doe only. I would think if we extended the muzzleloader season and it was antlerless only that could work as well. As far as the most days in a row I am sure it is one of the southern states.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Dec 17, 2009 14:01:55 GMT -5
Heck ya!!!!!!!!!
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Post by tickman1961 on Dec 17, 2009 14:06:06 GMT -5
Voted NO. Truth of the matter is currently people lose their desire and ambition to hunt deer in December. The harvest numbers obviously point that out. If the season ends close to January you are going to be killing bucks that have dropped their antlers as well.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 17, 2009 14:35:57 GMT -5
Here are the number of days from other states. Some of them may have changed since I did this research last year. ...................... WOW!!That averages to 51 days of deer hunting. Even going to the end of the year wth muzzleloaders wont get us to the average.. Whats so interesting, who cares what Texas etc.. is doing? I think I mentioned neighboring states to clarify- states whos borders touch our. Lets look at those, they should be used as models for deer density,land type, human population and same basic ground. The best time to fill the freezer is early Oct. how about shooting some does with a bow? I mean we had 6 or 7 in the freezer before firearms. IMO if you had 16 days of gun and 16 days of ML and you still couldnt get it done then well maybe your doing something wrong? Is that extra week or two really gonna help? Then when those who lobbied for it still come up empty the next year it will be "Ok still not enough they should extend it until the end of January" LOL
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Post by INDeerhunter on Dec 17, 2009 14:57:21 GMT -5
Extending seasons or not I agree with Vetrix and racktraker on their opinions I love to acrchery hunt its my favorite season or seasons how ever u look at it. I got a buck this yr thats all I killed but I aint complainin on a bad season so I want more time to try again, I bow hunt many times during firearms and m/l witha bow I have a firearm and a m/l but I love my bow. I actually voted on No to extending the season. the talk of doing it county by county we already can kill 8 does in a lot of the counties in our area. EIGHT DOES, EIGHT what more do u want lol. Extendin seasons may bring the herd back down BUT guys that are complainin about not seein the DEER how exactly is changin the seasons going to help in u seein more DEER ! If we start actually killin 8 does a year on top of what we can kill with regular season tags then we REALLY arent going to be seein deer lmao leave it the way it is or let the "poor" man carry his tags over from season to season so we dont chuck out hundreds of dollars to kill one busk and take our chances on bonus tags !!! just my 2 cents !!!
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Post by vectrix on Dec 17, 2009 14:57:32 GMT -5
Here are the numbers to look at: Kentucky 26 Wisconsin 40 Illinois 16 Ohio 20 Indiana 34 Missouri 42 Ok now go look at deer populations for these states and see where we rank and remember this; if you extend until end of archery that bumps it to 48 days. Who do you think has more deer indiana or wisconsin? Oh by the way to include states like Texas or any state on the east coast in your formula is ridiculous, New Jersey is on a mission to erradicate the deer from their state.
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Post by js2397 on Dec 17, 2009 15:15:27 GMT -5
I just put all the states so everyone can see we are not way off base. Why did you choose the states you picked?
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Post by vectrix on Dec 17, 2009 15:21:39 GMT -5
I just put all the states so everyone can see we are not way off base. Why did you choose the states you picked? Seriously? I just wrote in the post above yours that those are all the states who border us,I'm not a biologist just makes sense to use the closest states as a model. I mean if you you opened a department store you would model your pay scale off of maybe wal-mart not Eli lilly, right? Texas has more deer than indy has humans. What I am saying based on neighboring states not the united states we are very generous.
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Post by js2397 on Dec 17, 2009 15:28:15 GMT -5
I just put all the states so everyone can see we are not way off base. Why did you choose the states you picked? Seriously? I just wrote in the post above yours that those are all the states who border us,I'm not a biologist just makes sense to use the closest states as a model. I mean if you you opened a department store you would model your pay scale off of maybe wal-mart not Eli lilly, right? Texas has more deer than indy has humans. What I am saying based on neighboring states not the united states we are very generous. Well Wisconsin and Missouri don't border us so that is why I was asking. I think it would be easy to see that Illinios is way off base compared to the states that border it. Indiana 34 Wisconsin 40 Michigan 55 Iowa 84 Kentucky 26 Missouri 42 That is an average of 47 days of gun hunting. I would say to compare us to Illinios is way off base since they are an outlier when comparing gun day stats.
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