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Post by vectrix on Dec 21, 2009 18:42:50 GMT -5
Woody, would never ask you to stifle opinion, maybe name calling but not opinion. This ain't fox news and I'm not Obama. I also agree in fixing something that ain't right, but don't think this is one of those. I try to base my opinion off fact,such as herd numbers and neighboring states...etc.. not personal needs and lack of success. I'm not worried about someone killing "my big buck" heck that happens most years anyway. [glow=red,2,300]I have heard alot of guys throwing kids or youth into the mix to shore up their wants[/glow]. Ok lets start a thread on an extended youth only season and see which one of us that voted no would be against that. Opinions are fine and always wanting more may be human nature but where is the end line. I truly feel that over half of the yes votes came out of frustration for a bad season.[glow=red,2,300] So what if they extend it next season and you still have a bad year? Would we then be arguing over needing to start firearms 2 weeks earlier for the "kids".[/glow] I guess also, and keep in mind this is just my opinion, if there is that much disdain and feelings of unfairness for our game laws in a hunter, how does he act in the field? I have a pretty good buddy who is a CO tell me he feels there is probably some sort of violation for 40% of deer harvested. I guess to somehow meet in the middle on this thing I would say extending ML or any season would only make sense if they did away with bonus tags. So there I gave some, yes I'm human. Merry Christmas Actually i was the only one that stated that we should extend muzzy season into a youth season for 10 straight days. Also for someone that basis their thoughts on FACTS, you should already know, is during Youth Season, only youths are permitted to hunt. Therefore, regadless of how successfull my season is, i still don't hunt. With most kids being out of school this time of year, it would be an excellent opprotunity to get them into the woods. Thanks for trying to "twist" my opinions, and thoughts. Merry x-mas to and your family as well. Twist? Thats funny I don't recall this poll saying anything about YOUTH, twisting imo would make it look like I'm arguing against a youth season. Oh well kinda like they got twisted on the baiting/mineral thread right? I don't know what I was thinking, everyone knows the best time to interest a young hunter is in the sub zero temps of January. |
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Post by ccdeer1960 on Dec 21, 2009 20:10:27 GMT -5
I guess before I voted, I should have asked why do they want to exstend the season?
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Post by deerman1 on Dec 21, 2009 21:13:31 GMT -5
Of course I will play the bad guy, season is 106 days long. My point is, how much time is needed to kill a few deer? You are correct though Woody the last post did get crossed between late,early and late Oct. One thing I have noticed is this- I posted numbers from our neighboring states that everyone just seems to ignore. We are far and away blessed with more days afield toting a long gun than anyone around us and yet we still complain. I understand limited time, I work full time also. IMO though if you want to be successful , you have to sacrifice other things- my wife gets mad is NOT an excuse. I have a freshman who started and played every varsity football game this year and has played travel baseball for years. My 9 yr old daughter plays on two softball teams and I have a 5 yr old son, so I know what it's like to be busy. Is it the IDNR's job to set seasons around everyones busy schedule or is it our job to set around the dates they have set? I think most of the grumbling is coming from the guy who had unsuccessful seasons, check the last poll many stated that. Many had that type of year it was tough, but if you hunt hard it won't happen every year. What I am hearing sounds like this to me " The Colts didn't score enough in the 4 qtrs provided, maybe they should get 5 qtrs of football" To be honest by the time Dec rolls around I am tired of hunting, 3 months is plenty. I agree here as well in a word NO the season is fine if not too long IMHO . I firmly believe that you could give guys 200 days to hunt deer and there would be a large percentage that would come home either dry or with no buck . {Not everyone is a good hunter and for some reason would rather complain about bag limits ,season lengthen and weapon types instead of learning to be a better hunter or getting better hunting land.} . I feel like there is plenty of days too hunt some hunters just need to change their schedules or plan ahead an take a few days off at the right time of year and maybe listening to hunters who are successful even in what will be bad years like this . This is the type of year that really shows those who really struggle with their hunt for antlered bucks and or deer in general . It is what it is . |
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 21, 2009 21:52:37 GMT -5
Actually i was the only one that stated that we should extend muzzy season into a youth season for 10 straight days. Also for someone that basis their thoughts on FACTS, you should already know, is during Youth Season, only youths are permitted to hunt. Therefore, regadless of how successfull my season is, i still don't hunt. With most kids being out of school this time of year, it would be an excellent opprotunity to get them into the woods. Thanks for trying to "twist" my opinions, and thoughts. Merry x-mas to and your family as well. Twist? Thats funny I don't recall this poll saying anything about YOUTH, twisting imo would make it look like I'm arguing against a youth season. Oh well kinda like they got twisted on the baiting/mineral thread right? I don't know what I was thinking, everyone knows the best time to interest a young hunter is in the sub zero temps of January. You are right the poll has nothing to do with youth season, other than an excellent reason to extend it. And you are making it look like you are arguing against a youth season, if you aren't then you are all for it correct?? What does this have to do with the price of beans in China??  This comment makes it appear to me that you don't want to extend the youth season. Anyhow, KY has a Free Youth weekend coming up this weekend, and they have a great turn out for it every year, regardless of the rigid temps. Speaking of rigid temps, kids can take the cold a whole lot better than us older fellas can. Especially if they are interested in what they are doing. |
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Post by Indyhunter on Dec 22, 2009 1:00:25 GMT -5
There's more hunting time available already. Just buy a bow and some arrows, a few more accessories to taste, and join those of us who enjoy what's left of ARCHERY season, instead of crowding us off the calendar to make more room for guns. Hunting doesn't always have to be LOUD! Nor does it have to be conducted with weapons that will kill stuff 300 yards away. Doesn't always have be loud? No doubt the Firearms season is fast and furious and can be rather frustrating, first few days especially. But honestly, how "loud" is ML season? After the first morning and maybe the second day,how many shots do you hear? So sorry you have to enjoy "whats left" of Archery season. After all, Archery season does encompass almost an entire month more than all seasons that allow those loud weapons. 58 vs 32 in the quick calculation I did. Maybe i'm wrong, but that seems as if there is a LOT more 'quiet' than 'loud'. |
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Post by mrfixit on Dec 22, 2009 6:08:36 GMT -5
Don't forget that archery season stays in during both firearms and muzzle loader seasons. Archery season comes in the first of October and runs until January with the exception of the 5 days between firearms and muzzle loader. Archers clearly have the ear of the DNR and appear to be the most outspoken against lengthening any season except archery. This elitism does more to harm the sport of white tail hunting than it has ever done to promote it. Don't get me wrong, early bow season is by far my most favorite time in the woods but honestly by the time gun season rolls around I'm more than happy to hang up the sticks and strings in favor of something that goes bang.
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Post by jabba on Dec 22, 2009 8:10:34 GMT -5
Don't forget that archery season stays in during both firearms and muzzle loader seasons. Archery season comes in the first of October and runs until January with the exception of the 5 days between firearms and muzzle loader. Archers clearly have the ear of the DNR and appear to be the most outspoken against lengthening any season except archery. This elitism does more to harm the sport of white tail hunting than it has ever done to promote it. Don't get me wrong, early bow season is by far my most favorite time in the woods but honestly by the time gun season rolls around I'm more than happy to hang up the sticks and strings in favor of something that goes bang. That's the most sentient point I have seen so far. Elitism describs it perfectly. Anyone that doesn't do it like THEY do it is wrong. I see it in politics ALL the time. I am activly involved in the Libertarian Party. I see people ALL the time that are all about freedom, as long as that freedom is to do the things THEY like to do, rather than freedom for everyone to do what they want to do. Great point! Jabba |
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Post by gobblerstopper on Dec 22, 2009 9:01:51 GMT -5
I was always under the impression that the purpose of deer hunting was to manage the deer herd? If you have an increasing deer herd and a decreasing number of hunters, I wonder what will eventually happen? I am no biologist, but the results seem pretty predictable.
It seems that about the only reason for not lengthening season is that "it is long enough all ready" and supported by "if you can't get it done in 32 days, then get better". I guess if I would have shot that mid-130" 10pt. that I passed up and videoed 4 different times (once at 7 yards) with my bow, then I would be a better hunter than I am? After all, I let him walk till next year and didn't kill a buck yet.
I wish someone would explain the too much pressure on the herd reasoning for me. The kill during the additional days of ML would most likely be negligible to the overall kill and there are all ready people archery hunting during this time? What are the affects of the pressure that people speak of?
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Post by schall53 on Dec 22, 2009 11:15:07 GMT -5
Here are two pictures of the same buck. In my opinion he does not need any more hunting pressure. The rut is harder on the survuvors than alot of people think. He needs to be left alone to try and put some weight back on or he may not make it through the winter. That is what I call pressure. That line you see in the second picture is his backbone.   |
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Post by tickman1961 on Dec 22, 2009 11:22:19 GMT -5
Here are two pictures of the same buck. In my opinion he does not need any more hunting pressure. The rut is harder on the survuvors than alot of people think. He needs to be left alone to try and put some weight back on or he may not make it through the winter. That is what I call pressure. That line you see in the second picture is his backbone. Normal wear and tear this time of year - only the strong survive, mother nature puts more pressure on animals than humans ever will. Those big 225 lbs bruisers in Oct/Nov end up 175 lbs by Jan/Feb.. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 22, 2009 11:40:47 GMT -5
I lightened it up a bit to get a better look. I agree - normal wear and tear and this will happen whether we are out there or not. He really does not look all that bad to me. He is a young buck and he will put it all back on real quick. Bucks this time of the year do not move all that much. The "big" bucks are mostly nocturnal and wont move unless you step on them.  |
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 22, 2009 11:51:29 GMT -5
Look how skinny this buck is and the picture was taken on November 8th. I watched this buck all archery season and he lost a lot of weight in just two weeks prior to this encounter with him on November 8th. Since this was before the gun season, do you all think we should cancel gun season so he and the other bucks can put some weight back on or do we really think this is very normal? Personally I think our deer herd is VERY healthy and an extra day or two or even a week would not be harmful to them.  Video of him putting the weight back on...  The thread…. huntingindiana.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=deerhunting&thread=29131&page=1 |
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Post by gobblerstopper on Dec 22, 2009 15:37:01 GMT -5
Woody, I think that buck has lost all that weight due to the 38 or so consecutive days of archery season and being hounded by all of us. Maybe we should end the first archery season about Oct. 25th?  Now that would stink!! I'd have to definitely move to KY. Trying to talk my wife into it all ready. |
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Post by vectrix on Dec 22, 2009 16:02:42 GMT -5
Lugnutz, I would never argue for a youth only season of any sort but not sure January would be the best time for it. I usually just argue about greed and intense complaining. I only get 2 days off for Christmas and I want 5. Hey I have a great idea, lets all name the county we live in and the bonus tag allotted, then come up with a reason why some extra killing is needed. There is no reason why ANY man should not have killed his fair share of does atleast. The funny thing is the deer herd has stayed pretty much the same for quite some time if I have read right so I guess I would need to know where that came from. As far as the Elitist comment not sure where that came from but it seems to me not having what one man has but changing some laws to get it kind of borders on what our president is doing now. Don't work....who cares complain enough and we will throw you some health care..lol. I can also say without a flinch, if they were to cut bow season back I would not complain. So anyway fellas, its too close to the holidays, it's obvious we are deadlocked in our opinion so why argue anymore. No wonder the Co's are so busy with the sentiment floating around this state.
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 23, 2009 0:34:12 GMT -5
Lugnutz, I would never argue for a youth only season of any sort but not sure January would be the best time for it. I usually just argue about greed and intense complaining. I only get 2 days off for Christmas and I want 5. Hey I have a great idea, lets all name the county we live in and the bonus tag allotted, then come up with a reason why some extra killing is needed. There is no reason why ANY man should not have killed his fair share of does atleast. The funny thing is the deer herd has stayed pretty much the same for quite some time if I have read right so I guess I would need to know where that came from. As far as the Elitist comment not sure where that came from but it seems to me not having what one man has but changing some laws to get it kind of borders on what our president is doing now. Don't work....who cares complain enough and we will throw you some health care..lol. I can also say without a flinch, if they were to cut bow season back I would not complain. So anyway fellas, its too close to the holidays, it's obvious we are deadlocked in our opinion so why argue anymore. No wonder the Co's are so busy with the sentiment floating around this state. I've never suggested opening a youth season in Jan.. I actually suggested (twice) that it extends the next 10 consecutive days after the last day of reg. muzzy season. Really? Take a look at another one of your comments...... & And you only argue Greed? See quote #2 & #3 to answere yourself. Your more confusing than an Obama speech, back n forth, back n forth. Never really sure where you stand. |
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Post by mrfixit on Dec 23, 2009 6:05:19 GMT -5
. There is no reason why ANY man should not have killed his fair share of does atleast. . Unfortunately the current system has bred a mindset "if it's brown it's down" and that it's all about killing the most deer in the shortest time possible. To some of us it isn't so much about the slaughtering of deer as it is the opportunity to be in the woods and be more selective. Not about having more time in the woods to kill more deer but the opportunity so that when we are in the woods we can be more selective with the deer we do kill. It's about killing the same amount of deer in a longer period of time. I'll never understand the "if it's brown it's down" mentality much like you will probably never understand it's not about the slaughtering of the deer herd but about more opportunity and the chance to be more selective while killing the same amount of deer. Merry Christmas! |
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Post by ccdeer1960 on Dec 23, 2009 7:27:01 GMT -5
Someone said,"Theres a decline in hunters." I personally dont believe that. People are becoming aware that they dont have to buy a tag,if their hunting on their own property.So theirs no way to tell how many hunters ,just how many bought tags.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 23, 2009 14:35:40 GMT -5
Back and Forth? I think I have stood in the same spot the whole time. That spot being this - I think greed is what drives guys like yourself to want more and more of something. It's the same on every thread, season length is unfair to me, arguing with Co's about baiting laws etc.. <EDIT> So in short to clarify for you - I do not agree with extending the season - I think January would be a horrible month for youth, September would be better. - I obey the laws, not question everyone in the book to complain - I bowhunt the designated seasons to have the "extra days everyone are talking about - I gun and ML hunt every chance I get and when season is over I accept it like a man - Oh and I will say again, count the bonus tags allowed and say without cracking a grin that dnr doesn't let us kill enough deer.
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Post by vectrix on Dec 23, 2009 14:38:38 GMT -5
. There is no reason why ANY man should not have killed his fair share of does atleast. . Unfortunately the current system has bred a mindset "if it's brown it's down" and that it's all about killing the most deer in the shortest time possible. To some of us it isn't so much about the slaughtering of deer as it is the opportunity to be in the woods and be more selective. Not about having more time in the woods to kill more deer but the opportunity so that when we are in the woods we can be more selective with the deer we do kill. It's about killing the same amount of deer in a longer period of time. I'll never understand the "if it's brown it's down" mentality much like you will probably never understand it's not about the slaughtering of the deer herd but about more opportunity and the chance to be more selective while killing the same amount of deer. Merry Christmas! I do agree with you, if more people felt the same way you do and not the brown it's down thing then guys like me wouldn't argue against it. Good point. |
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Post by Indyhunter on Dec 24, 2009 0:05:47 GMT -5
I gun and ML hunt every chance I get and when season is over I accept it like a man - Oh and I will say again, count the bonus tags allowed and say without cracking a grin that dnr doesn't let us kill enough deer. You say that as if everyone has their own land, or consistent private land to hunt without any outside influence. The DNR can "let us" each take 100 deer per year. But the absolute fact is that if you do not have the property and time to take what they "let us", then is doesn't really matter, does it? I think you are misunderstanding the situation for many people. It has nothing to do with the amount of deer a person can kill, it has a LOT to do with the opportunity a person has to kill deer. That might mean seasons, weapons, time, or more than likely a combination of the ingredients. What you spout sounds as much or more like greed than the people that would vote for extending the opportunity. I'd vote for it, unless the DNR has shown that the herd cannot withstand further numbers being taken and that the opportunity presented is keeping everything in check. |
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