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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 20, 2012 12:55:19 GMT -5
Since only 5% of the state "bowhunters" actually keep hunting with bows in the gun season there would not be any bowhunters or crossbowers hunting at all..
Hunting would suffer..
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 12:56:21 GMT -5
No, I think I mentioned all those things just fine .... they all fall under the heading of "wants". Hunters wants. Landowners wants. Normal folk wants. People wants.
Not strictly biological .... mostly wants.
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 12:57:32 GMT -5
Since only 5% of the state "bowhunters" actually keep hunting with bows in the gun season there would not be any bowhunters or crossbowers hunting at all.. Hunting would suffer.. Yes ... but the biological need could be satisfied pretty easily.
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 12:59:10 GMT -5
As far as the crazy way of thinking goes .... if it werent for guys wanting to hunt them there is little reason to have near the deer herd we presently have.
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Post by charmerbaits on Nov 20, 2012 13:17:19 GMT -5
I think Indiana did that this year .... so your "want" has been granted. They created the bundle but all the laws are still very confusing. They just need one deer license/tag to buy then just buy the additional bonus tags for the amount of does you kill based on your county your hunting.
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 13:23:33 GMT -5
What laws do you think are confusing?
The baiting laws are a crazy gray area .... and the new orange on blinds rule could use better wording. Other than that what are some that confuse a guy?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 13:30:42 GMT -5
As far as the crazy way of thinking goes .... if it werent for guys wanting to hunt them there is little reason to have near the deer herd we presently have. That sounds like something Obama's finacial advisors would come up with, can you imagine the economic impact if deer weren't hunted. Again, it's all about balance. That's also when it becomes a biological issue.
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 13:32:22 GMT -5
At least I said it was the crazy way of thinking up front .... you sounded like an occupy wall streeter on accident.
Still not a biological reason .....
If guys didnt want to hunt critters things would be much different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 13:35:10 GMT -5
As usual, your wrong that it's not partly biological do to short sightedness of the big picture.
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 13:39:11 GMT -5
lol .... uh- . Almost appears as though you have no idea what something being "biological" even means.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 13:45:47 GMT -5
lol .... uh- . Almost appears as though you have no idea what something being "biological" even means. Wrong again. This ain't my first rodeo. I know why game agencies want x-bows. You apparently have no clue.
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 13:47:37 GMT -5
uh- ..... Getting past the point of "almost" and moving into the neighborhood of "certainly". Did you even notice you used the word "want" instead of "needs"?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 14:18:43 GMT -5
Want is the correct word. Need is a more drastic tweek. Sometimes just a little is enough. Example would be sub one more weekend day of firearms hunting instead of a season full of x-bow. The harvest could be attained, but it would add no new hunter or retain any hunters. That's why its still a want based on biological need.
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Post by swilk on Nov 20, 2012 14:21:17 GMT -5
And you were so close .... we almost had a breakthrough.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 14:24:10 GMT -5
I feel your frustration.....almost
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Post by firstwd on Nov 20, 2012 16:33:39 GMT -5
Other than opening weekend, like now, there would be no change in allowing guns the entire deer season. More bucks would not die because hunters are limited to one, more does might die but that is the States "want", and the rut would be less crowed for whatever tool you wish to hunt with because more hunters would already have killed their buck and be out of the woods.
Biologically, there is no reason to not use guns the entire time. There is also no biological reason to hunt with archery equipment at all. We hunt with high power rifles during July and August on depredation permits because that is "biologically" the easiest time to catch the deer off guard and in the fields doing damage.
Other than not wanting guns all season there isn't a biological reason not to have them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 17:07:28 GMT -5
Obviously, if you have 3 or 4 months of continous gun hunting, more bucks would be killed because people would have more days to fill. Bag limits would need to be adjusted a lot. Not to mention that there is no available data for huge changes in season structure.
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Post by imnatree on Nov 20, 2012 23:14:47 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems as though some believe the "deer herd" is at a high or at best nice population level. Not where I hunt. I believe between the drought, disease, and over abundant doe tags, the numbers r drastically dropping. Also strikes me alittle funny that I have read not one mention of the DNR's wants to control the deer population by adding doe tags as actually an attempt to satisfy the insurance companies who notified them of their law suit plans against the DNR for mismanagement of the deer population costing the insurance companies $millions in auto claims every year. It always comes down to $$. Thus, the extra anterless tags were created. So isn't it the insurance companies who are in real control of the herd #s. If they're not happy, guess what, ur county receives a higher doe #. I love hunting deer as much as the next guy here, but if we as hunters don't stop killing off does like there's no tomorrow, when tomorrow comes we'll b wishing we had. For this reason I'd b opposed to a 1 season for all weaponry. Also as to not allowing a hunter to use a weapon of choice when he wants during season, why then would we even have a season. Heck, just make it a yr round free-for-all, lol. Sorry just getting alittle carried away there, lol.
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Post by huntingman on Nov 21, 2012 6:08:51 GMT -5
The only thing I can see even remotely getting passed is maybe a weekend or week long Primitive ML season in October.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 6:11:20 GMT -5
It's a myth that struggling deer hunters use that insurance companies control the doe tag numbers. It does not happen, ever, in any state. Besides, insurance companies make money off of deer conflicts. As for county limits, very few hunters kill even close to the number allowed. The average harvest per is less than 2 each
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