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Post by hornzilla on Nov 1, 2014 16:28:10 GMT -5
We're actually saying the same thing. Just approaching it from 180 Deg. If a HPR is dangerous in a certain spot then so is what is legal now Now we're on the same page. Lol.
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Post by robinhood33 on Nov 1, 2014 17:09:12 GMT -5
As much as I'd love to be able to have the ability to reach out and tag a deer at 300+ yards, it's not practical. Plus with the way people shoot around where I hunt, you'd be asking for accidents.
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Post by firstwd on Nov 1, 2014 19:03:17 GMT -5
As much as I'd love to be able to have the ability to reach out and tag a deer at 300+ yards, it's not practical. Plus with the way people shoot around where I hunt, you'd be asking for accidents. How?
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Post by robinhood33 on Nov 1, 2014 20:01:37 GMT -5
A lot of guys around here don't seem to have their backdrop checked out as well as they should. Even though that's not right no matter the gun, a rifle bullet is gonna travel a lot further. I would love to be able to hunt with a rifle, but I'd real nervous hunting close to a property line when the next guy over has one.
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Post by firstwd on Nov 2, 2014 5:41:11 GMT -5
A lot of guys around here don't seem to have their backdrop checked out as well as they should. Even though that's not right no matter the gun, a rifle bullet is gonna travel a lot further. I would love to be able to hunt with a rifle, but I'd real nervous hunting close to a property line when the next guy over has one. They already do.
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 2, 2014 13:07:20 GMT -5
A rifle bullet is gonna travel a lot further. Pennsylvania spent a lot of money for a study that proved otherwise. The only time that a rifle bullet will travel farther is at a steep upward angle. Rifle bullets fragment on impact with obstacles such as trees, while slugs push right on through or ricochet. Remember, FMJ bullets will be illegal for hunting. The majority of shots in the deer woods will be less than level, with most being shot at a downward angle into the ground from an elevated position.
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Post by robinhood33 on Nov 2, 2014 16:10:13 GMT -5
Pennsylvania spent a lot of money for a study that proved otherwise. The only time that a rifle bullet will travel farther is at a steep upward angle. Rifle bullets fragment on impact with obstacles such as trees, while slugs push right on through or ricochet. Remember, FMJ bullets will be illegal for hunting. The majority of shots in the deer woods will be less than level, with most being shot at a downward angle into the ground from an elevated position. That's true, I'm speaking strictly trajectory paths though. There has got be a reason those guys out west use rifles on big wide open plains. And from coyote hunting experience, I'm gonna take a rifle over a shot gun for long distance shots 10 times out of 10. I wouldn't be against hunting with a rifle by no means. Hell, I'd be the first one out the door with one if they made it legal, but I don't like the thought of a guy the next field over having one and not knowing I'm there. Accidents are gonna happen no matter what, but the odds have to atleast slightly increase with a round that can travel 250+ yards before significantly dropping.
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Post by esshup on Nov 3, 2014 7:47:57 GMT -5
That's true, I'm speaking strictly trajectory paths though. There has got be a reason those guys out west use rifles on big wide open plains. And from coyote hunting experience, I'm gonna take a rifle over a shot gun for long distance shots 10 times out of 10. I wouldn't be against hunting with a rifle by no means. Hell, I'd be the first one out the door with one if they made it legal, but I don't like the thought of a guy the next field over having one and not knowing I'm there. Accidents are gonna happen no matter what, but the odds have to atleast slightly increase with a round that can travel 250+ yards before significantly dropping. Since you are speaking strictly trajectory, what's your definition (in inches) of "significantly dropping" at 250 yds?
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Post by mission5 on Nov 3, 2014 9:30:31 GMT -5
It's all fun and games until someone gets a 30-06 round through the window. However, I think It will be fine if the gun is in the right hands. I think what hood is trying to get at is that there are gonna be some idiots that squeeze off rounds without knowing the true capability of the bullet. I tend to hunt a lot of urban areas, farms that are behind neighborhoods, additions, etc. I would never use a high powered in those areas but I couldn't help but to ask the question, would someone else make the same decision as me? Just my two cents.
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Post by esshup on Nov 3, 2014 11:43:57 GMT -5
I agree, there are a lot of idiots out there. During a park hunt one year, I saw a guy walking thru a field, shooting his gun. When I saw him and his buddies at the check area I asked him if he got one in the field. His reply? I was bored and I was just shooting the gun. WTF? ?? I'm pretty anal about having an accurate gun, and what type of weapon is used in a certain area has a lot of variables. Since I hunt from a ladder stand most of the time, and the shots are downward, I'd feel comfortable using a rifle near buildings, but only if nothing was down range, from about 10-2 direction wise. From the ground? If the buildings were that close, I don't think I'd even use a slug gun or ML.
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 3, 2014 11:47:25 GMT -5
I tend to hunt a lot of urban areas, farms that are behind neighborhoods, additions, etc. I would never use a high powered in those areas but I couldn't help but to ask the question. My feelings are if it isn't safe for a high-powered rifle, it isn't safe for firearms period.
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Post by mission5 on Nov 3, 2014 13:38:54 GMT -5
I tend to hunt a lot of urban areas, farms that are behind neighborhoods, additions, etc. I would never use a high powered in those areas but I couldn't help but to ask the question. My feelings are if it isn't safe for a high-powered rifle, it isn't safe for firearms period. I strictly bow hunt those areas. But some guys would say that's debatable. A 20 gauge slug gun isn't gonna shoot like a .308....
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Post by cougars48 on Nov 3, 2014 13:55:31 GMT -5
I hope if they do pass the law they also restrict hunters on public properties. Way too many people on public grounds in northern part of the state to be using HPR. I live with F&W property on 3 sides of my house and every opening day when i leave 2 hours before shooting light there are at least 10 vehicles at the check in station down the road. No way I would feel safe for me or my family to be outside if every hunter was carrying a HPR. Way too many chances of an accident occuring on public grounds witht he crop strips as well. Sure someone might take a shot at a deer 100 yards away in those fields now with a shotgun but what happens when its 350+ yds and there is someone at the other end of the field.
Im for HPR but think if they are allowed then all state ground needs to be a draw and operate as turkey season does.
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 3, 2014 14:45:57 GMT -5
A 20 gauge slug gun isn't gonna shoot like a .308.... Exactly. A slug is going to bust brush and keep on going, while a hunting bullet is going to fragment at the first contact with brush.
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Post by hornzilla on Nov 3, 2014 14:55:43 GMT -5
A 20 gauge slug gun isn't gonna shoot like a .308.... Exactly. A slug is going to bust brush and keep on going, while a hunting bullet is going to fragment at the first contact with brush. . Have seen the old slug guns do this many times in the past. HPR will not.
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Post by mission5 on Nov 3, 2014 15:50:27 GMT -5
A 20 gauge slug gun isn't gonna shoot like a .308.... Exactly. A slug is going to bust brush and keep on going, while a hunting bullet is going to fragment at the first contact with brush. Indeed but this is Indiana and there are fields, fields next to houses, businesses, highways, etc. A high shot over a deer with a slug, and the slug is in the dirt 50 yards after going over the deer. A shot over a deer with a HPR, and who knows how far it is going to travel. Proper backdrop is key. You can't just assume the bullet is gonna hit brush at some point, crazy stuff does sometimes happen. Therefore you at least have to take into consideration how far the bullet possibly could fly if it doesn't come into contact with brush. I see this being a problem in the flatter parts of Indiana.
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Post by GS1 on Nov 3, 2014 17:45:33 GMT -5
There are fields everywhere.
There are houses everywhere.
There are people everywhere and the odds are that neighbor everyone worries about having a HPR is also worried about you having one too.
Someone will get shot. A building will get shot. It is going to happen regardless of when this proposal passes. It is going to probably happen this year without HPR just like it does almost every year. I know what I need to do to keep myself safe and to keep others hunting around me safe. I'm tired of being regulated based on the stupidity of a few.
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Post by firstwd on Nov 3, 2014 21:33:05 GMT -5
The range of an "HPR" bullet is the same if coming out a rifle or a handgun. The possibility of an errant shot is much more likely with a handgun than a rifle. Why haven't all the people against using these rounds in rifles been trying to outlaw their use in handguns the past 20+ years that I can remember them being legal?
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 4, 2014 6:48:21 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks that there aren't already lots of people hunting deer with HPR's has their head in the sand. Heck, they're using them in archery season in my area. I'd turn them in if I could catch them.
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Post by tenring on Nov 4, 2014 8:13:23 GMT -5
The range of an "HPR" bullet is the same if coming out a rifle or a handgun. The possibility of an errant shot is much more likely with a handgun than a rifle. Why haven't all the people against using these rounds in rifles been trying to outlaw their use in handguns the past 20+ years that I can remember them being legal? Number of persons using handguns while deer hunting, versus how many want to use CF rifles while deer hunting. Never have I seen any statistics concerning that. Would be interesting to see a study on this.
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