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Post by freedomhunter on Jun 27, 2014 12:39:43 GMT -5
Should have reduced Parke, they had as much ehd as anyone. Why is the late antlerless still in place? Shouldn't that be done away with for a couple years?
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Post by subzero350 on Jun 27, 2014 12:46:52 GMT -5
While all good management practice and I am glad to see it, in the real world I have questions just HOW MUCH cutting a county (like Marshall where I live) from 8 to 4 will REALLY effect things. As I've said before, VERY few hunters that I have known and/or just talked to, over the years ever actually shot even four, let alone 8. x2
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Post by chubwub on Jun 27, 2014 12:47:31 GMT -5
I am personally glad to see a reduction on the bonus antler less permits. I have in-laws with 5 children who have a lifetime hunting license that routinely abuse the privilege of late antleress season and kill every deer they see in multiple counties. Their kill rates are often up into the 25+ range every year. It doesn't matter to them if the deer in that area are struggling or not, they will kill simply for the thrill, and half their meat will rot hanging in the shed before they even dress it out. Anything that causes people of this mindset to struggle is A-OK as far as I am concerned.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Jun 27, 2014 15:31:24 GMT -5
I am personally glad to see a reduction on the bonus antler less permits. I have in-laws with 5 children who have a lifetime hunting license that routinely abuse the privilege of late antleress season and kill every deer they see in multiple counties. Their kill rates are often up into the 25+ range every year. It doesn't matter to them if the deer in that area are struggling or not, they will kill simply for the thrill, and half their meat will rot hanging in the shed before they even dress it out. Anything that causes people of this mindset to struggle is A-OK as far as I am concerned. This is why leaving hunters to govern themselves will never work.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 15:51:29 GMT -5
I am personally glad to see a reduction on the bonus antler less permits. I have in-laws with 5 children who have a lifetime hunting license that routinely abuse the privilege of late antleress season and kill every deer they see in multiple counties. Their kill rates are often up into the 25+ range every year. It doesn't matter to them if the deer in that area are struggling or not, they will kill simply for the thrill, and half their meat will rot hanging in the shed before they even dress it out. Anything that causes people of this mindset to struggle is A-OK as far as I am concerned. I don't know anyone like that. I'm glad I don't because I don't think we'd get along very well...
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Post by steve46511 on Jun 27, 2014 16:12:51 GMT -5
I am personally glad to see a reduction on the bonus antler less permits. I have in-laws with 5 children who have a lifetime hunting license that routinely abuse the privilege of late antleress season and kill every deer they see in multiple counties. Their kill rates are often up into the 25+ range every year. It doesn't matter to them if the deer in that area are struggling or not, they will kill simply for the thrill, and half their meat will rot hanging in the shed before they even dress it out. Anything that causes people of this mindset to struggle is A-OK as far as I am concerned. A rare case most of us have admit but has a simple solution. The underlined part is illegal and can be reported. Just saying.. God Bless
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Post by M4Madness on Jun 27, 2014 16:23:46 GMT -5
Does anyone know where a person could get the data showing how many Indiana hunters actually kill more than 2 deer during any given season? Just curious.... I have no idea. But, I can say that I've taken more than two deer a year for 18 out of 19 seasons I've hunted. In fact, 70 deer in 19 seasons puts me at 3.68 average a year.
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Post by swilk on Jun 27, 2014 16:25:21 GMT -5
Is it illegal? Serious question.
Do you know the Indiana code making it illegal? I would like to read it.
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Post by firstwd on Jun 27, 2014 16:27:34 GMT -5
He's thinking Wanton Waste, but it would be very hard to prove in that situation.
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Post by swilk on Jun 27, 2014 16:33:00 GMT -5
Is wanton waste a real IC or game and fish reg? I figured that is what he was talking about but I don't recall ever actually seeing the code.....
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Post by steve46511 on Jun 27, 2014 16:34:15 GMT -5
Seriously?
HALF the deer left to rot BEFORE dressed out and the number of kill being in the 20s?
It would be as difficult as the CO walking in and seeing several rotted deer or finding them anywhere.
A radical departure from "accidently" leaving one to rot or just leaving it in the field which would need eye witnesses.
Taking it HOME to rot does not change a thing.
All that is needed is a CO to know about it. They have to put rotted corpses somewhere. Taking them home doesn't change anything if still left to rot.
God bless
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Post by steve46511 on Jun 27, 2014 16:35:22 GMT -5
I cant give you the code but can tell you I've seen people cited for it. More than once. Once was a guy that shot two and hung them in his yard till a pile of maggots that neighbors reported. S I'd be the person who kept his ears open to what they did WITH rotted carcasses. Sorry for the multiple posts. FEW things set me off like letting a game animal rot. (I was the neighbor who reported the above. THAT almost came to blows with multiple threats, midnight calls while he was drunk, and vandalizing my property....that he also didn't get away with. Such is the attitude of those that waste game animals..........IMO of course since what I have witnessed more than once. I made it known and posted such when my shop was open.. "If I can show you shot your deer illegally, or other illegal actions were part of it's kill and or use.......IT WILL BE REPORATED" <--- Hung on my front door. Did I see some read this and walk away? Every single year. I felt no "loss" not having their business. Rant.....my apologies.
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Post by swilk on Jun 27, 2014 16:42:20 GMT -5
Cited for does not mean it exists. I have known several leos and DNR guys who did not know the actual law they were tasked with enforcing.
I'll look....and I'll post it if I find it.
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Post by swilk on Jun 27, 2014 16:45:10 GMT -5
A very quick search did turn up what looks to be a game and fish reg for wanton waste.....says you have to make an effort to retrieve a shot animal. Does not say the meat must be used in any way.
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Post by swilk on Jun 27, 2014 16:47:23 GMT -5
Wanton Waste It is illegal to kill or cripple any wild animal without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the animal to include in your daily bag limit. It is illegal, however, to enter private property without permission to retrieve downed game. Before hunting, individuals must make sure they have permission to track game on land adjoining their hunting area.
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Post by steve46511 on Jun 27, 2014 16:51:42 GMT -5
Ask a CO what they would do finding entire carcasses left to rot, regardless where they are located.
If not existing the above guy paid fines for nothing.
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Post by swilk on Jun 27, 2014 16:54:57 GMT -5
That is possible. Unless a guy knows his rights and knows the law it would be difficult to know they were being violated. Cited for an offense that does not apply would need to be taken to court .... any $2 lawyer could simply say it does not apply and they would be correct.
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Post by steve46511 on Jun 27, 2014 17:04:46 GMT -5
Rather than discuss this further, I have an email of to the DNR for clarification of what constitutes "wanton waste" with the above situation given as an example.
Common sense still rules in my world. Left to rot, is left to rot so once again we will agree to disagree and I will willingly report every single incident I see of anyone doing such.
God Bless
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Post by swilk on Jun 27, 2014 17:09:50 GMT -5
It'll need to be the opinion of a judge....I don't trust anyone else's opinion when it comes to the law. I trust my own eyes to read the code and I trust the men and women who sit on the bench and rule on those codes.
Everyone else is just stating an opinion.
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Post by swilk on Jun 27, 2014 17:13:00 GMT -5
Obama is a constitutional lawyer....doesn't mean his opinion carries any weight with me when it comes to his actions. SCOTUS just proved that yesterday.....
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