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Post by deadeer on Jul 6, 2014 9:51:44 GMT -5
I got my lifetime-comp in 2001. At the rate I hunt and fished, I calculated it would of taken 7yrs to pay for itself. BUT, when the last increase of ('03 or '04?) came, it would only be 4 yrs to pay for itself. So now 13yrs later, I feel I can relax and not worry about the cost being worth it!
Jay
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Post by duff on Jul 6, 2014 13:25:53 GMT -5
Me too!
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Post by shouldernuke on Jul 6, 2014 17:12:03 GMT -5
Well a bunch of Collage level education does not make them or anyone immune to making poor choices or assumptions . BTW I was hunting before most of these guys you talk about were born that now do the state biologist work just like Woody and some others on this site were .There are very few old guard left in the state DNR .JMHO the old guard Deer Herd managers in this state did far more than just read generated reports and make political calls to manage this herd. They IMO were far better herd managers than those who just mostly set behind desks and read results off of a computer screen .They acted and reacted far quicker to deer herd changes than those today do . Sorry those guys did a fine job growing this herd .This generation had done a great job wrecking the herd and driving hunters out the sport.The and convoluted tag sales and requirements as well as the OBR did more to drive hunters away than any one factor .The year they introduced the OBR and raised the tag price from $14,95 to the current price in 2001 our deer hunter numbers dropped by almost 100,000 .So they had to do damage control in an attempt to sell more tags and the doe herd and hunter greed fixed that by driving up revenue something other states already knew . That fact is still floating around here somewhere from a old "Biologist report " pre current administration . .I'm not a deer hunter. I'm not out in the woods when too many other hunters are out there shooting at anything that moves.I'll put my faith in the modern biologist who not only took the time to learn and study about wildlife biology but also get out in the woods and hunt and fish. I know for a fact that the leader of these guys is a true hunter and fisherman who's grandfather was also a true hunter and outdoors man. He's a lot smarter than you give him credit. You don't even know him. Their job is the manage the animals first and the humans second. I'd much rather manage the deer herd than people like you without any wildlife biology formal education and still think that they know how to manage the State's deer heard for everyone. I'll follow the recommendations of the Professionals and not someone like you. BTW I didn't fall of the turnip truck yesterday and neither did Mark. He's been around at IDNR for the last 30 years or more. He started back in 1976 as the Property Manager of Glendale F&W area. I remember him calling me and telling me that he was stationed there back in 1976. Unfortunately I was sound asleep at the time as I had been out on a fire run and didn't have any sleep until after that run was over. I was sound asleep when he called me that night and my mom didn't get his name right as she took the phone call. It was not until later that I figured how who it was that called me and I didn't know how to call him back as she didn't have his phone number or remember where he called from Back then we didn't have Caller ID on the phone. You are not the only old timer in here. I've been hunting for over 50 years. I started hunting when I was around 7 or 8 years old back in the 1950s. And the Professor that taught the modern Biologist don't just lecture from the class room. They take their students out in the field all the time at Purdue. So its not just classroom work. It's hand one work out in the field. I know this because I also took several classes in Wildlife Biology and Fishery Science. My interest was in protecting the wildlife and fauna which is why I studied Environmental Science and Conservation as a major. But I was also very interested in wildlife biology as I studied Pre-veternary Medicine my first two years at Purdue. While I didn't major in Wildlife Biology I know several guys that did. One owns about 40 acres of ground with lots of deer on it and someday maybe I'll get to go hunting with him on that property when he retires. As I said I don't hunt deer. But I see them all over the place down here in Warrick County. Hell last night I almost ran over one. That's a common ocurance for me as I like to drive around the County and observing Wildlife. I go out often as I'm retired and enjoy taking photographs of the wildlife. Just the other day I got some good photographs of a Red Fox. And just yesterday evening I saw two Red Fox playing in a yard out in my old neighborhood. The Fox populations are doing well as ar the deer populations. When you get to be half as smart as the Biologist get back with me. For I doubt most what you say. You don't have the training to manage our wildlife in Indiana. It's a science these days and that hopefully is how they make their decisions about managing the deer population. With the above said I can tell you from my experience as a Scientist who worked for Government that we work under the Politicians. Governors and Mayors are the guys that decide who gets hired and who gets to stay. And they don't pay the scientists jack. These guys work for little pay because they love the job. But their budget is set by the Politicians that guys like you and I vote to elect. And you know how that goes. We don't have much of a choice in who we vote for. There are normally only two choices for each elected office. You either vote for the Democrat or the Republican Candidate. Who you vote for makes a difference in how the IDNR gets funded. The problem is that neither of the Political Parties pay much attention to our wildlife or us. IMHO they are all for themselves. Both parties that is. And we really don't have anyway to knowing which members vote to support our wildlife. I could not tell you which party is the best for our wildlife. BTW: I took a poll yesterday and it labeled me as more Republican than Democrat. Image that! A lot of my believes about immigration are more like the GOP stance while my environmental ideas are more like the Green Party. And my social values are more like the Dems. But I'm was rated as about 70% GOP. Which surprised the Heck out of me. LOL But then again I'm pro gun and would deport most of the illegal aliens that have entered this country illegally over the past 30 years. And I'm all for taking those kids from South American and putting them on a slow boat back to where they came from. Sorry but American is Full. We have no vacancies. We have too many people in this country now. We don't need more people. The gates should be closed until our population declines enough to allow more new people to come here again. That won't happen anytime soon unless the Black Plague visits us again You sir and your long winded reply have no clue as to who here can or can not manage a deer herd local / single property / or state wide better than those who are in charge of it now .Second you have no clue as the existent of education or the field its in here . You have a very big opinion about deer herd and hunting season management for someone who does not even deer hunt .BTW almost running over deer is not a common occurrence in many counties these days its more rare than common in most places in the north half of the state these days Just saying .
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Post by span870 on Jul 6, 2014 17:21:34 GMT -5
Surprised they didn't increase it in Lawrence or Washington counties. Herd is increasing leaps and bounds around here. Do you guys think they will do anything for some of these southern counties at some point and time to increase the kill numbers or do you see just increasing depredation tag numbers
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2014 17:58:57 GMT -5
Surprised they didn't increase it in Lawrence or Washington counties. Herd is increasing leaps and bounds around here. Do you guys think they will do anything for some of these southern counties at some point and time to increase the kill numbers or do you see just increasing depredation tag numbers I was surprised that Warrick stayed a 3.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 6, 2014 18:01:40 GMT -5
2002 Comp.LTL increase was from $708 to over $1200. The only reason I know this is I bought my wife hers before the increase and ended up getting divorced the same year. DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!! We "DID GOOD" Woody by buying them in 87. OUCH is right! God Bless I "think" mine was $375... In 1987 dollars... Best money I ever spent....
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Post by moose1am on Jul 6, 2014 22:24:13 GMT -5
.I'm not a deer hunter. I'm not out in the woods when too many other hunters are out there shooting at anything that moves.I'll put my faith in the modern biologist who not only took the time to learn and study about wildlife biology but also get out in the woods and hunt and fish. I know for a fact that the leader of these guys is a true hunter and fisherman who's grandfather was also a true hunter and outdoors man. He's a lot smarter than you give him credit. You don't even know him. Their job is the manage the animals first and the humans second. I'd much rather manage the deer herd than people like you without any wildlife biology formal education and still think that they know how to manage the State's deer heard for everyone. I'll follow the recommendations of the Professionals and not someone like you. BTW I didn't fall of the turnip truck yesterday and neither did Mark. He's been around at IDNR for the last 30 years or more. He started back in 1976 as the Property Manager of Glendale F&W area. I remember him calling me and telling me that he was stationed there back in 1976. Unfortunately I was sound asleep at the time as I had been out on a fire run and didn't have any sleep until after that run was over. I was sound asleep when he called me that night and my mom didn't get his name right as she took the phone call. It was not until later that I figured how who it was that called me and I didn't know how to call him back as she didn't have his phone number or remember where he called from Back then we didn't have Caller ID on the phone. You are not the only old timer in here. I've been hunting for over 50 years. I started hunting when I was around 7 or 8 years old back in the 1950s. And the Professor that taught the modern Biologist don't just lecture from the class room. They take their students out in the field all the time at Purdue. So its not just classroom work. It's hand one work out in the field. I know this because I also took several classes in Wildlife Biology and Fishery Science. My interest was in protecting the wildlife and fauna which is why I studied Environmental Science and Conservation as a major. But I was also very interested in wildlife biology as I studied Pre-veternary Medicine my first two years at Purdue. While I didn't major in Wildlife Biology I know several guys that did. One owns about 40 acres of ground with lots of deer on it and someday maybe I'll get to go hunting with him on that property when he retires. As I said I don't hunt deer. But I see them all over the place down here in Warrick County. Hell last night I almost ran over one. That's a common ocurance for me as I like to drive around the County and observing Wildlife. I go out often as I'm retired and enjoy taking photographs of the wildlife. Just the other day I got some good photographs of a Red Fox. And just yesterday evening I saw two Red Fox playing in a yard out in my old neighborhood. The Fox populations are doing well as ar the deer populations. When you get to be half as smart as the Biologist get back with me. For I doubt most what you say. You don't have the training to manage our wildlife in Indiana. It's a science these days and that hopefully is how they make their decisions about managing the deer population. With the above said I can tell you from my experience as a Scientist who worked for Government that we work under the Politicians. Governors and Mayors are the guys that decide who gets hired and who gets to stay. And they don't pay the scientists jack. These guys work for little pay because they love the job. But their budget is set by the Politicians that guys like you and I vote to elect. And you know how that goes. We don't have much of a choice in who we vote for. There are normally only two choices for each elected office. You either vote for the Democrat or the Republican Candidate. Who you vote for makes a difference in how the IDNR gets funded. The problem is that neither of the Political Parties pay much attention to our wildlife or us. IMHO they are all for themselves. Both parties that is. And we really don't have anyway to knowing which members vote to support our wildlife. I could not tell you which party is the best for our wildlife. BTW: I took a poll yesterday and it labeled me as more Republican than Democrat. Image that! A lot of my believes about immigration are more like the GOP stance while my environmental ideas are more like the Green Party. And my social values are more like the Dems. But I'm was rated as about 70% GOP. Which surprised the Heck out of me. LOL But then again I'm pro gun and would deport most of the illegal aliens that have entered this country illegally over the past 30 years. And I'm all for taking those kids from South American and putting them on a slow boat back to where they came from. Sorry but American is Full. We have no vacancies. We have too many people in this country now. We don't need more people. The gates should be closed until our population declines enough to allow more new people to come here again. That won't happen anytime soon unless the Black Plague visits us again You sir and your long winded reply have no clue as to who here can or can not manage a deer herd local / single property / or state wide better than those who are in charge of it now .Second you have no clue as the existent of education or the field its in here . You have a very big opinion about deer herd and hunting season management for someone who does not even deer hunt .BTW almost running over deer is not a common occurrence in many counties these days its more rare than common in most places in the north half of the state these days Just saying . You talk too much and don't have anything to back up what you say. Perhaps your post are indicative of a shallow mind? Like I said you don't have any training in the field of Biology and don't really know what You are talking about. One does not have to hunt deer in order to manage them properly. Other's can do the hunting instead. That doesn't mean that the people managing the head at DRN don't know what they are doing. As you are trying to infer. You have nothing to back up what you are saying. Nothing what so ever. Just a bunch of personal conjecture. I feel sorry for people like you. Like I said the IDNR biologists are way more qualified to manage the deer heard than some uneducated bozo who thinks he knows all there is to know about deer management and yet is ignorant of even the basics of wildlife management principles. I normally just ignore people like you in these forums and I guess I'll start doing that again. No sense in arguing with someone who so unprepared to argue the facts.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 7, 2014 5:46:56 GMT -5
Gents,
We are starting to get a little too personal.
Lets clean it up or take it to PMs..
Thanks,
WW
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 19:26:11 GMT -5
No no no that was licensed hunter numbers we went from around 350,000 + thousand to less than 250,000 that year .It was not a deer herd estimate read it again . . . I mis-read your post. My apologies.
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Post by singlestacksig on Jul 10, 2014 11:32:29 GMT -5
Does anyone know where a person could get the data showing how many Indiana hunters actually kill more than 2 deer during any given season? Just curious.... possibly a large number, my last 3 years have been 3, 3, & 5. and that is not counting the number taken on my land by other hunters.
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