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Post by sakorifle on Oct 3, 2014 3:08:42 GMT -5
Greetings Well jackryan, as an outsider looking in I think the youth seasons are as important if not more so than any other. Firstly it gives the kids a purpose, it gives them a chance to join in a family activity. But more important than it all it makes them hunters, not anti,s The hunting community has a continual fight on, and over here no where near enough was done to get the youths of my day(who are now voters) on our side. Result, while hunting is active it is nothing like the old days, it is hush hush tell no one what you do. The youths are huntings future,look after them,and from me I think it is marvellous what my fellow hunters over the pond do, not just for hunting but for family life in general. Now, I've said my piece politely and any replies please remember the anti s are watching Regards Billy
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Post by firstwd on Oct 3, 2014 5:40:20 GMT -5
Greetings Well jackryan, as an outsider looking in I think the youth seasons are as important if not more so than any other. Firstly it gives the kids a purpose, it gives them a chance to join in a family activity. But more important than it all it makes them hunters, not anti,s The hunting community has a continual fight on, and over here no where near enough was done to get the youths of my day(who are now voters) on our side. Result, while hunting is active it is nothing like the old days, it is hush hush tell no one what you do. The youths are huntings future,look after them,and from me I think it is marvellous what my fellow hunters over the pond do, not just for hunting but for family life in general. Now, I've said my piece politely and any replies please remember the anti s are watching Regards Billy **** ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ **** Billy, if ever you find yourself this side of the Atlantic, you better plan on staying for quite some time because you have a long list of guys that want to take you hunting.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 3, 2014 6:04:46 GMT -5
Thank you firstwd I am 56 had a working lifetime of carrying deer off very rough ground and it takes its toll, lol sore joints everywhere, so i am thinking of retiring in four years time once my pension is at its maximum, then if all is well i have every intentions of trying to get over to meet some of you. That is something i am really looking forward to, so who knows what the future holds. I am confident with the bow to thirty yards now, so i am a ready to go ,lol Thank you again Billy
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Post by span870 on Oct 3, 2014 9:17:21 GMT -5
I don't think bow hunters need any more time. If any thing I think the youth season should be from September 15 till October 1 that way you don't only have 2 days to rush if the weather is bad or work stops you from taking them to enjoy learning about the traditions we learned and love so much. And that is just my 2 cents after raising 6 kids. Nothing is stopping you from taking your kids hunting from Oct 1 to Jan 31 or more. If any thing these hokey youth seasons should be eliminated entirely. I'm going to have to agree on this one. Except for the hockey part. No idea where that's coming from. Can anyone tell me why they feel that the youth need a longer season? Without the excuse of sports and music or whatever season. Can't they hunt all year long as adults can? My boy plays football. After that is travel football. He pretty much ties up his whole season. I still find time to take him hunting. I still find time to take several of his football friends hunting. These friends come from non hunting families. Doesn't that do the same to combat anti hunting as a youth season does. After all of this I still find time to kill as many deer as I feel I need to. So what excuse can someone give me that they need longer that can't be accomplished in the regular season. I've noticed a lot of guys that push for a youth season are also dumping the season on them, thats let's me honest, is the worst part of the season. I don't see anyone pushing for a youth the first two weeks of November. We have them hunting during some of the hottest time of year, bugs are abundant, and deer are at their least mobile during the day. What you get an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening. My kids and their friends have never hunted the youth season and probably won't. You put a deer in front of a kid and a whole lot can go wrong. Nervousness and buck fever. How many deer do you think are shot and wasted because of the time needed to find a wounded deer. How many hang in a tree and the meat gets bad. Nope you can have it. I'll take my youth during late October and November and have them enjoy it. I'll spend my time enjoying them hu ting the best time of the year. I'll hunt when I can and accomplish the same without the youth. So why do we need the youth season? Can't you take them out during the regular season?
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 3, 2014 9:50:45 GMT -5
They get discounted license fees, a couple days to themselves and can still hunt all year....I don't see the need myself either. When my kids are old enough and if they desire to hunt I'll gladly let them come all year long on some double sets...I think the desire for a longer youth season by SOME (not all) is because they want their kids pretty much over and tagged before they start their hunting.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 3, 2014 10:30:46 GMT -5
I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving kids a special two day "season" (deer and turkey)where it is ALL about them and not dad too. In fact I campaigned for it to happen.
I do agree that the youth deer "season" is way too early and should come at the end of October or the first of November. But the organized bowhunters wanted no part of that and we are stuck with what we have...for now.
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 3, 2014 10:50:49 GMT -5
I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving kids a special two day "season" (deer and turkey)where it is ALL about them and not dad too. In fact I campaigned for it to happen. I do agree that the youth deer "season" is way too early and should come at the end of October or the first of November. But the organized bowhunters wanted no part of that and we are stuck with what we have...for now. I am not against the fact we have a youth season, nor would I probably be against there being some days added to it. I see actually a benefit to having in September though over moving it to another weekend later...better chance of good weather. Yes hot isn't as great as cool, but it is a lot more doable than cold or cold and wet conditions which become increasingly possible as you move later and later into October or November....which I would guess (merely a guess) as to the choice being when it is. My issue I guess lies in the minority (well...hopefully the minority) of guys or ladies who simply don't or won't take their kid hunting once the regular deer season starts....but like other things that isn't a big enough deterrence to make me anti-youth hunting season, but I feel is note worthy. But that is all for a different thread I guess because this is about all September bow season.
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Post by jjas on Oct 3, 2014 11:07:29 GMT -5
I do agree that the youth deer "season" is way too early and should come at the end of October or the first of November. But the organized bowhunters wanted no part of that and we are stuck with what we have...for now. There are those (a small minority) that are against the youth season for one simple reason. They don't want anyone having first crack (especially with firearms) @ killing "their" bucks.
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Post by span870 on Oct 3, 2014 11:42:01 GMT -5
I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving kids a special two day "season" (deer and turkey)where it is ALL about them and not dad too. In fact I campaigned for it to happen. I do agree that the youth deer "season" is way too early and should come at the end of October or the first of November. But the organized bowhunters wanted no part of that and we are stuck with what we have...for now. Agree 100% on them having the two days. Not sure on the timing but it is what it is. Don't see the need to add any time to it though.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 3, 2014 12:06:39 GMT -5
Greetings Span 870 I take my hat off to you sir, you are indeed one of the few hunters that take there kids out hunting and let them shoot while you do the learning. The number of times i have seen dad take there kids out and if the birds are hard or the child is not connecting they take the gun from them and get stuck in themselves, but most dads bring a gun each, in my mind that is an accident waiting to happen. Your system this cannot legally happen the kids do the shooting you do the learning, brilliant idea. As for the fee's well its the same over here for fishing kids always get things cheaper, i think its something to do with them having no income. Everything else timing etc is the concern of you hunters over there, but i really do think its brilliant. regards Billy
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Post by jackryan on Oct 3, 2014 12:36:34 GMT -5
I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving kids a special two day "season" (deer and turkey)where it is ALL about them and not dad too. In fact I campaigned for it to happen. I do agree that the youth deer "season" is way too early and should come at the end of October or the first of November. But the organized bowhunters wanted no part of that and we are stuck with what we have...for now. I have no problem at all with a youth season or even a special fee schedule. Far as I'm concerned they can have it any time they want during any of the 3 months or more of the regular seasons and they can hunt with the weapon for that season just like a real grown up. Then may be they could learn something other than "I'm special. The rules for everyone else don't apply to me." Who knows, they may even have a shot at getting an adult to teach them who cares about them rather than just using them.
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Post by jackryan on Oct 3, 2014 12:51:04 GMT -5
Greetings Well jackryan, as an outsider looking in I think the youth seasons are as important if not more so than any other. Firstly it gives the kids a purpose, it gives them a chance to join in a family activity. But more important than it all it makes them hunters, not anti,s The hunting community has a continual fight on, and over here no where near enough was done to get the youths of my day(who are now voters) on our side. Result, while hunting is active it is nothing like the old days, it is hush hush tell no one what you do. The youths are huntings future,look after them,and from me I think it is marvellous what my fellow hunters over the pond do, not just for hunting but for family life in general. Now, I've said my piece politely and any replies please remember the anti s are watching Regards Billy In one way you are absolutely right and in another absolutely wrong. Hunting IS NOTHING LIKE IT WAS IN THE OLD DAYS. That's undeniable. I won't argue either way if there are enough hunters or not. My self I think there is plenty but what ever. The hunting situation with antis or social acceptance is not different than it ever was in all the years I've hunted. It's no more hush hush than it ever was. One thing has changed and that the hunters. All the hush hush and politically correct crap comes at least ten fold more from other people calling themselves hunters than it does from any where else and a lot of it is brought on as a direct result of trying to bring in any one and every one just to try to get them to say they hunt. The majority of people in hunting today look at their lobbying for rule changes and political advantages as their major hunting skill. Every difficulty they face their first effort is a rule change. They care nothing about hunting or the outdoors. They care about give me a special season, let me use this weapon or that one, let me bait, let me tresspass, why can't I kill that one it's the only thing I've seen. At best a deer is a bag of groceries to them. They are slobs and I don't care to have them in the hunting community. The people who need a freebie or a special day to hunt are the ones hunting needs to be rid off, not begged to join.
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Post by boonechaser on Oct 3, 2014 12:56:26 GMT -5
Perfect EXMAPLE was my hunt last night. Had a single adult doe come by at 5 yds. Shoot or not I said to myself. With tempature at 84 degree's and a somewhat remote location I decided not to shoot her. Had temp's been below 70 I probably would have. Generally it is just to hot/warm for me early October and I actually plan my family vacation early to mid October, as this historically has been a slow time for me through the year's and I have often found myself getting discouraged because I hunt to hard early and see very few decent bucks in the early to mid October time frame. So I vacation and get rested up for the early pre-rut (which for my area usually things start heating up around Oct 25th). So in a nutshell deer season to me really doesn't start untill end of October and thats when I hunt and hunt hard. See no need for more deer hunting days ( Have 3 month's now), as for the YOUTH. They have there special weekend and the rest of the normal season to hunt as well.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 3, 2014 13:00:06 GMT -5
Sir o how wrong you are, they are not grown up or they would not qualify, they are very special,they are the future, and to insult parents and mentors by saying they are using there kids is way over the top. The end, Billy
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Post by tynimiller on Oct 3, 2014 13:09:30 GMT -5
I guess I'm partial to hunting early season...but that might have something to do with every Buck I've every taken (save 1) have been taken in October...all but 1 prior to the 25th and 1 on October 1st.
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Post by swilk on Oct 3, 2014 13:10:44 GMT -5
I do not need a special season to take my kids hunting. I will take them whenever they want to go.
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Post by boonechaser on Oct 3, 2014 13:43:17 GMT -5
I've killed a few decent buck's (120's -130's) early and mid October but the majority of my larger (140's plus) have all been killed in November. Exception my largest a 162 gross-153 net p&y was killed on Oct 28th. It can be done,but much more buck activity late October through late November. That's when I spend the majority of my time in wood's.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 3, 2014 16:13:24 GMT -5
The best part of humanity is the fact that it ends. Age or experience simply doesn't translate into wisdom is some people.
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Post by chubwub on Oct 3, 2014 17:20:19 GMT -5
I've never met a kid who though youth season made him "special" or entitled. Pretty much they were just excited that they got to go. I see nothing wrong with having a couple days for youth only hunting. One of my favorite times of the year is the youth duck hunt. We have no children, but we always volunteer to take a kid out if he wants to go because we enjoy the experience. A lot of these kids have no clue how to shoot waterfowl, and as a result a lot of mistakes are made and shells are wasted. Then the season allows the ducks to have a whole week to forget that terrible experience of a war zone. DNR made a good call on that one! The first time duck hunting can be quite frustrating for a lot of them. I like the fact that we have a weekend to focus just on them, their safety and their enjoyment and success without worrying about other shenanigans that tend to arise frequently when the adult hunting begins. Of course we eventually want to teach those kids how to deal with problems and harassment like that, but for pete's sake, let's at least let them kill a few birds or deer without being harassed and give them taste for blood first.
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Post by span870 on Oct 3, 2014 17:43:16 GMT -5
I've never met a kid who though youth season made him "special" or entitled. Pretty much they were just excited that they got to go. I see nothing wrong with having a couple days for youth only hunting. One of my favorite times of the year is the youth duck hunt. We have no children, but we always volunteer to take a kid out if he wants to go because we enjoy the experience. A lot of these kids have no clue how to shoot waterfowl, and as a result a lot of mistakes are made and shells are wasted. Then the season allows the ducks to have a whole week to forget that terrible experience of a war zone. DNR made a good call on that one! The first time duck hunting can be quite frustrating for a lot of them. I like the fact that we have a weekend to focus just on them, their safety and their enjoyment and success without worrying about other shenanigans that tend to arise frequently when the adult hunting begins. Of course we eventually want to teach those kids how to deal with problems and harassment like that, but for pete's sake, let's at least let them kill a few birds or deer without being harassed and give them taste for blood first. I don't think no one here, at least that I can tell, is saying no youth season at all. I agree that we should maybe give the weekend that they have. Just no reason to add more time. Heck I enjoy the youth turkey season more than the kids I take out. I get to hunt before anyone else. To me pulling the trigger isn't that important. Seeing someone else do it is the same as I do it. The end result is the same. I brought such and such animal in and I put it where it needed to be. I feel like Ive killed enough in my time to not have to again. Well except rabbits.
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