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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 12:35:48 GMT -5
I assume they use regular old air to inflate the balls? Not nitrogen or something that temperature doesn't effect as much.....
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2015 12:36:41 GMT -5
Inflated to the lower end of the range in a 90* room and then transported outside on a 30* day? How much difference would something like that make? Who keeps a room @ 90 degrees? The Weather Channel (of all places) did inflate office NFL footballs @ both room temperature (67 degrees) and @ the temp before game time outside (right around 48-50 degrees). After keeping the balls in the temp range during the four hours of game time (upper 40's to around 50 degrees), the amount of air lost was negligible in both examples. This wasn't because of the cold.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2015 12:39:28 GMT -5
Inflated to the lower end of the range in a 90* room and then transported outside on a 30* day? How much difference would something like that make? Guess now we're going to the land of "what if".... Smh
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 12:43:48 GMT -5
All depends on the numbers. Just the temp difference from 70 to 50 supposedly results in about .4 psi loss. Add in a larger temp swing, humidity and whatever other variables and there might be an explanation.
Maybe.
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 12:44:53 GMT -5
Inflated to the lower end of the range in a 90* room and then transported outside on a 30* day? How much difference would something like that make? Guess now we're going to the land of "what if".... Smh No. You asked a question and I gave an answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 12:56:42 GMT -5
Never has the term "Devil's Advocate" been more apropos!
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 13:05:55 GMT -5
I try and think of every angle along the journey .... has nothing to do with the Patriots, Belickick or Brady. The league will come out with an explanation and a punishment if necessary.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 21, 2015 13:07:01 GMT -5
Then why weren't the Colts ball deflated too?
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2015 13:07:49 GMT -5
Guess now we're going to the land of "what if".... Smh No. You asked a question and I gave an answer. Don't care if you don't like the answer..... I asked about a variable ......I didn't realize I needed to say common since .... Sorry my bad!!! Go ahead with your "what if".....
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2015 13:09:58 GMT -5
Then why weren't the Colts ball deflated too? EXACTLY......... No what if to it!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 13:11:23 GMT -5
I'm listening to Dan Dakitch at lunch right now. His guest is former NFL coach Rick Venturi. Venturi said it is SO WELL KNOWN THAT THE PATRIOTS CHEAT that teams just automatically take precautions when preparing to play them to the point of assuming their phones are bugged! Wow!
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 13:12:41 GMT -5
Greg - the variable is the temperature and humidity differences between when the balls were filled and when they were measured and found to be low.
We know very few facts at this time .... we know the balls were under the minimum. We dont know how much under the minimum and that could possibly make a difference in what exactly happened.
Why do people assume because a person considers the possibility of something that it must be what that person thinks?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 13:15:20 GMT -5
We dont know how much under the minimum ? 2 pounds under the minimum has been widely reported
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 13:16:31 GMT -5
Then why weren't the Colts ball deflated too? EXACTLY......... No what if to it!!! Greg - again, without knowing exactly how much the balls were under the minimum .... if the colts balls were pre-game inflated to 13.5psi using 70* air they could possibly lose .5psi at game time temperatures and come in at 13psi which is within specs. If the Patriots balls were pre-game inflated to 12.5psi using 90* air they could possible lose 1psi at game time temps and come in at 11.5psi which is under specs. It not impossible. Im not sure how probable it is .... but not impossible. The 11 out of 12 part of the story is more puzzling. You would think either tampering or environmental variables would have gotten to all 12. Why did that one stay in range?
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 13:22:18 GMT -5
I bet one thing does come out of this .... the way balls are treated will change. No more allowing each team to oversee their own during the game.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2015 13:30:54 GMT -5
EXACTLY......... No what if to it!!! Greg - again, without knowing exactly how much the balls were under the minimum .... if the colts balls were pre-game inflated to 13.5psi using 70* air they could possibly lose .5psi at game time temperatures and come in at 13psi which is within specs. If the Patriots balls were pre-game inflated to 12.5psi using 90* air they could possible lose 1psi at game time temps and come in at 11.5psi which is under specs. It not impossible. Im not sure how probable it is .... but not impossible. The 11 out of 12 part of the story is more puzzling. You would think either tampering or environmental variables would have gotten to all 12. Why did that one stay in range? The say 2 pounds per square inch under pressure.... Read the link!! espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 13:35:43 GMT -5
I once read a link that said Obama was a good President. I read another link that said global warming was caused by man. In yet another link I read how this Don guy knows best how to manage our deer herd.
You believe everything you read?
Do you honestly believe it was exactly 2psi? If it is anything other than 10.5psi on the nose then those reports are inaccurate.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2015 13:40:18 GMT -5
Am sure ESPN made up the story .... That's how they roll!!!
Bet no one but you thought of the " what if" also..... Lol
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 13:44:55 GMT -5
Im sure lots of people have thought of the what ifs and that is why the league hasnt said anything yet. Once they are fairly certain they know what happened they will make an announcement.
It might be something as simple as the ball boy deflated them because he was told to by Belichick or Brady. It might be something else .....
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Post by chubwub on Jan 21, 2015 13:46:57 GMT -5
I cannot tell you anything about how the balls lost the air in them until the balls used by the Colts team are tested as well. Even then there are still many variables. You guys asked for examples, so here they are: 1.)There could be a manufacturing defect. 2.)Someone could have done a crappy job and misread the inflating gauge or pulled the needle out improperly during inflation. 3.)The dude whose job it is to inflate the footballs got paid to alter them. 4.)The dude whose job it was to inflate the balls tested them by giving them a squeeze and said "Well this feels good enough to me, it's not like the refs are really going to check them unless it's really obvious and then they will just replace them. I don't get paid enough to properly check these balls let the refs handle it." 5.)Some of the balls could lost air pressure due to being squashed by the butts of 300lb linemen during a dogpile. 6.)A few more could have lost air pressure after being "spiked" during a celebration. 7.) Someone on the field has a needle and did actually deflate the ball on purpose during the game. My guess is with the millions of cameras on them this would be eventually be caught upon reviewing the game footage. 8.) Now to add something even more intriguing to the mix in a case of "whodunnit" if in fact someone purposely tampered with the Patriots footballs. I just read this article by someone who did an informal experiment to see if they could tell the difference by feel between a football inflated at 13psi and another inflated 2psi under regulation. sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/how-serious-is-deflate-gate--a-yahoo-sports-equipment-investigation-155529889.html Guess what? It was almost impossible to tell that the footballs were deficient by 2 psi by squeezing with your hands. Now with that information in hand, how it it that Colts linebacker Jackson was able to tell this deficiency? Did the Colts pay someone to deflate the Patriots balls on purpose and then have Jackson speak up about it in order to bring this about? Or does Jackson just handle a lot of balls and know what regulation balls are supposed to feel like? In conclusion, there are still way to many variables at this time to sort out and prove without a shadow of a doubt that the Patriots did indeed purposely deflate their footballs to gain an advantage. Still doesn't explain how the Patriots beat the ever living snot out of us 31-0 in the second half even after the deflated balls were found and replaced.
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