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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 14:00:24 GMT -5
My opinion on what happened .... the balls were likely under-inflated from the beginning and just not noticed during inspection. A little psi drop because of the air temperature difference makes them even more under spec. Guy who measured and inflated them mutters the words 2psi and the press runs with it like it is the gospel ... it was likely not exactly 2psi per ball.
11 balls all measuring roughly the same psi is a little to hard to believe that someone on the sideline stuck a needle in them and all landed at the same spot.
Fine and possibly lost picks next draft.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2015 14:04:51 GMT -5
The game balls that each team received for preparation were required to be inspected and marked with a dot -- signifying that they passed inspection -- by referee Walt Anderson two hours and 15 minutes before kickoff, then returned to a ball attendant.
The balls are required to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces. No alteration of footballs is allowed once they are approved, under league rules and regulations.
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 14:11:41 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 14:18:47 GMT -5
I'm going to post this again because it says SO MUCH!
I'm listening to Dan Dakitch at lunch right now. His guest is former NFL coach Rick Venturi. Venturi said it is SO WELL KNOWN THAT THE PATRIOTS CHEAT that teams just automatically take precautions when preparing to play them to the point of assuming their phones are bugged! Wow!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 14:21:02 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2015 14:52:15 GMT -5
People can try and justify things any way they wish, but the hard truth is this....
1. The balls were inspected before the game and given to a ball attendant....And "somehow" between that point and the game, the balls were deflated.
2. The coach of the patriots cheats. He paid a $500,000.00 fine for cheating.
3. The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 14:59:05 GMT -5
People can try and justify things any way they wish, but the hard truth is this.... 1. The balls were inspected before the game and given to a ball attendant....And "somehow" between that point and the game, the balls were deflated. 2. The coach of the patriots cheats. He paid a $500,000.00 fine for cheating. 3. The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. Hard to argue with that
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2015 15:12:23 GMT -5
One last point...
IMHO, Roger Goodell needs to go to the Patriots and tell them flat out that a full investigation will occur over this subject. And if anyone in the Pats organization is found to have "doctored" the game balls, the Pats will be fined ten million dollars, they will be stripped of their conference championship and Super Bowl title (if they win) and the person (or persons) involved will be banned from the NFL for @ least one year. If Bill Belichick is found to be involved, he should be personally fined five million dollars and banned from the league for two years without pay due to his previous cheating.
Will that happen? No. Goodell didn't "sack up" all season, so why should he start now......He's just like politicians in Washington.
Close your eyes to scandal and lies and count that money.
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Post by subzero350 on Jan 21, 2015 15:18:09 GMT -5
Still doesn't explain how the Patriots beat the ever living snot out of us 31-0 in the second half even after the deflated balls were found and replaced. This came up in another thread about this subject on another forum. Allow me to explain my opinion based on my observations of the game of football (in general). NFL games and how teams play them are greatly affected by momentum. Typically, if a team is playing from behind on the scoreboard, they will tend to call more risky (low probability of success / high reward potential) plays. Teams playing from a comfortable lead tend to call more conservative plays that are low risk. Conservative play calls tend to be running plays which consume a lot of game clock. If such plays result in first downs, you keep the defense on the field longer and can wear them out. In contrast, high risk plays that offer little probability of success usually result in many 3-and-outs which forces your defense to play a high percentage of the 60 min game time. The score at halftime was 17-7. The deflated balls the Patriots were using could certainly have made it easier for them to grip in running plays and catch in passing plays. I think it is safe to say the deflated balls the Patriots used in the first half gave them an advantage. It is impossible to know if the use of the deflated balls attributed to their 10 point lead over the Colts going into the locker room at halftime, but it is certainly possible. If the Patriots were using properly inflated balls during the first half, it could have resulted in them having the same kinds of handling problems the Colts were experiencing. And if so, it could have resulted in the Colts enjoying a 7-0 lead on the Patriots at halftime. This could have certainly changed the entire outcome of the game because the Colts would have had all the momentum in the world leading the home team at halftime. That having been said, I think our entire coaching staff in Indy needs to be fired. I have watched most of the Colts games this season and a re-occurring theme seems to be the coaching staff simply fails to adequately prepare our team for the games and opponents they face any given Sunday. It is just blind luck (no pun intended) we made it to the AFC title game this year, in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 15:18:51 GMT -5
Goodell was hanging at a party thrown by Patriots owner Bob Kraft the NIGHT BEFORE THE GAME!
That should tell you what kind of punishment we should expect...
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Post by subzero350 on Jan 21, 2015 15:39:42 GMT -5
Goodell was hanging at a party thrown by Patriots owner Bob Kraft the NIGHT BEFORE THE GAME! That should tell you what kind of punishment we should expect... Goodell needs to be removed from his position of power. Not only because of this, but because of everything that has been allowed to occur under his watch.
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 21, 2015 15:40:33 GMT -5
There are high profile commentators and former athletes calling for the "coach" (I won't say his name) to be banned from the sport. If that happens, I will throw a party! I wouldn't run out and spend money on things for the party. It will never happen.
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Post by subzero350 on Jan 21, 2015 15:43:54 GMT -5
There are high profile commentators and former athletes calling for the "coach" (I won't say his name) to be banned from the sport. If that happens, I will throw a party! I wouldn't run out and spend money on things for the party. It will never happen. Pete Rose was banned for much less, in my opinion.
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 21, 2015 15:47:19 GMT -5
Inflated to the lower end of the range in a 90* room and then transported outside on a 30* day? How much difference would something like that make? Exactly. This is something different but the same point. On my sprint car we use a "bleeder" on the right rear. The tire without one will grow big time. Because the change in air pressure. Set at 6psi at say 85 degrees will build to 12 to 14 or more at 120 degrees.
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2015 15:57:35 GMT -5
Inflated to the lower end of the range in a 90* room and then transported outside on a 30* day? How much difference would something like that make? Exactly. This is something different but the same point. On my sprint car we use a "bleeder" on the right rear. The tire without one will grow big time. Because the change in air pressure. Set at 6psi at say 85 degrees will build to 12 to 14 or more at 120 degrees. While both your points may be valid on their own, neither are germane to the subject matter as the temperature differences were not that extreme.
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 16:00:48 GMT -5
What was the temperature in the room the balls were originally inflated? What was the temperature of the air going into the ball itself?
I do not know the answer to those two questions ..... do you?
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 21, 2015 16:01:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't run out and spend money on things for the party. It will never happen. Pete Rose was banned for much less, in my opinion. Pete Rose was a little more black and white. Idk. What will happen. But I sure wouldn't buy stuff for the party.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 16:03:07 GMT -5
This is like a guy who takes a final exam and goes in knowing 45 out of 50 answers frontwards and backwards. He has an A pretty much wrapped up, but he just can't resist making a crib sheet for those other 5 questions. He gets caught and his whole test is suddenly invalid because he cheated. He could have done it the right way and passed with ease, but he just had to have that extra edge.
It's sad, really.
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 21, 2015 16:04:20 GMT -5
Exactly. This is something different but the same point. On my sprint car we use a "bleeder" on the right rear. The tire without one will grow big time. Because the change in air pressure. Set at 6psi at say 85 degrees will build to 12 to 14 or more at 120 degrees. While both your points may be valid on their own, neither are germane to the subject matter as the temperature differences were not that extreme. There couldn't have been 35 degrees different in room temp and game day field temp?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 16:09:46 GMT -5
If you devil's advocates really think that EVERY FREAKING SPORTS SHOW in the world is talking about almost nothing else over something that could have just happened naturally you are delusional. Turn on ESPN for 5 minutes for goodness sake!
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