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Post by hornzilla on Jan 21, 2015 16:16:24 GMT -5
If you devil's advocates really think that EVERY FREAKING SPORTS SHOW in the world is talking about almost nothing else over something that could have just happened naturally you are delusional. Turn on ESPN for 5 minutes for goodness sake! Personally I could care less. I'm just making a point. With info that I use every Saturday night at the track. I will promise you that air pressure changes with air temps. And the higher the humidity in the air used the great the changes. Look me up any Saturday night at a Indiana or Illinois sprint car track. I will personally let you check air pressure of tires going on and coming off of the track that doesn't have a bleeder. This is why everyone is checking them the moment we come to a stop.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 16:18:11 GMT -5
Does it affect the other cars' tires as well? (I know the answer)
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 21, 2015 16:23:29 GMT -5
Does it affect the other cars' tires as well? (I know the answer) Lol. You know all the answers. Depends if they drain all the moisture out of there air tanks every night on how much every car gets affected.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 21, 2015 16:24:01 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 21, 2015 16:26:08 GMT -5
Of course the 12 th ball was probably the kickers ball..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 16:27:29 GMT -5
I know... Maybe 11 of the 12 Patriot footballs had a slow leak.
Or maybe that one ball was magically unaffected by the temps.
Or maybe 13 of the 24 total game balls were OVERinflated before the game and then dropped down to the acceptable level in the cooler temps while the other 11 balls were properly inflated and then lost 2 pounds in the temps.
Or, maybe the Patriots got caught trying to gain a "competitive edge" by screwing with the integrity of the game again.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 21, 2015 16:27:39 GMT -5
If the "environment" theory that is be espoused is correct then why were the Colts balls and the 12th ball not affected?
Hmmm,,,,,,
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2015 16:28:04 GMT -5
What was the temperature in the room the balls were originally inflated? What was the temperature of the air going into the ball itself? I do not know the answer to those two questions ..... do you? Where do you think your find a room that's 90 at the stadium???... Let guess they heated up one that hot just to air up the balls just for NE......LMAO How do you know the ball weren't checked at that same temp when found to be not in "spec" Grasping at air temps is a freaking joke!!! They been playing football at hot and cold temps for ever...SMH
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Post by swilk on Jan 21, 2015 16:28:48 GMT -5
Does it affect the other cars' tires as well? (I know the answer) Lol. You know all the answers. Depends if they drain all the moisture out of there air tanks every night on how much every car gets affected. Also depends on the temp of the air coming out of a compressor or tank or pump. I pointed out the possibilities above but it don't matter.....minds are made up and closed. On to something else.
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 21, 2015 16:29:23 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 21, 2015 16:32:17 GMT -5
Lol. You know all the answers. Depends if they drain all the moisture out of there air tanks every night on how much every car gets affected. Also depends on the temp of the air coming out of a compressor or tank or pump. I pointed out the possibilities above but it don't matter.....minds are made up and closed. On to something else. Ever hear of the "grassy knoll".... Carry on
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Post by hornzilla on Jan 21, 2015 16:32:35 GMT -5
Lol. You know all the answers. Depends if they drain all the moisture out of there air tanks every night on how much every car gets affected. Also depends on the temp of the air coming out of a compressor or tank or pump. I pointed out the possibilities above but it don't matter.....minds are made up and closed. On to something else. Will second that.
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Post by chubwub on Jan 21, 2015 16:38:52 GMT -5
I'm just going to toss this out there because I love playing devil's advocate. Hate them, love them, the Patriots are a very good team, there is no beating around that fact. As a result, people are going to find any technicalities they can to get them in trouble or disqualify them. They cannot win on their own merit either, so they do everything in their power to take opposition out by disqualification. I'm not sure how that is any better.
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Post by js2397 on Jan 21, 2015 16:41:31 GMT -5
What was the temperature in the room the balls were originally inflated? What was the temperature of the air going into the ball itself? I do not know the answer to those two questions ..... do you? Where do you think your find a room that's 90 at the stadium???... Let guess they heated up one that hot just to air up the balls just for NE......LMAO How do you know the ball weren't checked at that same temp when found to be not in "spec" Grasping at air temps is a freaking joke!!! They been playing football at hot and cold temps for ever...SMH It's possible they keep the balls in a special heated room just for this purpose. I believe the Colorado Rockies keep their baseballs in a humidor to help negate the effects of the dry air. www.popsci.com/entertainment-amp-gaming/article/2008-11/why-do-colorado-rockies-keep-their-baseballs-humidor
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 16:49:01 GMT -5
I'm just going to toss this out there because I love playing devil's advocate. Hate them, love them, the Patriots are a very good team, there is no beating around that fact. As a result, people are going to find any technicalities they can to get them in trouble or disqualify them. They cannot win on their own merit either, so they do everything in their power to take opposition out by disqualification. I'm not sure how that is any better. Maybe when a team is caught cheating and has a wide spread reputation for it (see my post above with the Rick Venturi quote)...maybe, just maybe you start wondering what ELSE they are doing to screw with the integrity of the game. What have they NOT been caught doing? How many games/years does this affect? It didn't change the result of this blowout, but how many close games prior may it have changed? That's why there have to be strict consequences. There are BILLIONS of dollars riding on these silly little games!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 21, 2015 17:54:16 GMT -5
If it is proven that the Pats did cheat on this game that makes the entire season suspect. So what does the NFL do about that? Just give them a TSK, TSK and let it ride?
This is like a deer hunter that could not stand it and poached a nice buck and got caught. Every buck (even if legal) that he has ever killed becomes suspect. Look at the downfall of some "celebrity hunters" who got caught. B & C and P & Y throws out all records of anyone caught poaching.
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Post by throbak on Jan 21, 2015 18:32:38 GMT -5
I believe like the guy on the news just said Does it make a diff Yes Would it have changed the outcome NO but there are rules and they must be obeyed BTW he was a 13 yr NFL QB Retired
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Post by jjas on Jan 21, 2015 18:53:25 GMT -5
Two points....
1. If the 11 balls were affected by the weather so much, why wasn't the 12th or the Colts dozen balls?
2. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see Bill Belichick "retire" after the Superbowl.
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Post by chubwub on Jan 21, 2015 19:10:21 GMT -5
It's hard to say. All we know for sure is that they were caught breaking one rule consistently. People keep yammering on about this "long list" of cheating and all I can find is the once incident with Spygate. How is once incident a "long list?" Literally, I Google this dude and all I can find is that he broke one rule. I mean seriously this is like a first time DUI offender with a previously clean record being deemed as having a "long list" of criminal offenses. How??? Really crappy journalism to be honest. After reading about the whole Spygate debacle I can honestly say that that the rules regarding the videotaping were somewhat inconsistent. I guess I was expecting some HUGE travesty like them having hidden video cameras in the locker room or a secret agent ball handler on the opposing team that sends encoded messages to Belichick via telegraph. I mean for pete's sake, they had to send a memo out to clarify that what he did was actually cheating. So they had to sit there and actually debate if what he did was wrong which in of itself is kind of weird. On a side note, I didn't even know the whole videotaping the opposing team coaches during the game thing was such a big deal. I honestly thought if you were out on the field, then anything you did was fair game to videotape and that this was a regular thing coaches did like coaches handing out game tapes for team players to review to study opponents. It could be worse. They could be paying bounties on players to encourage them to get injured. Oh wait... that was New Orleans. Or steroids. Oh wait that was Colt's safety LeRon Landry and Robert Mathis (yes we know it is off label fertility treatment but rules are rules according to ya'll!) Last year it was Colt's Weslye Saunders. BUT OMG DEFLATED BALLS PEOPLE!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 19:18:35 GMT -5
They have a reputation throughout the league. They had it before spygate and that only brought it to light to the general public. You should have heard Rick Venturi talking about them today. He said teams just assume going into their week of preparation to play the Patriots that they need to be extremely careful. They go in expecting every phone to be bugged! This goes back YEARS!
Oh, and the Saints got hit HARD! A year suspension for their coach. Both Colts players you mentioned paid a 4 game suspension on first offenses.
What will the Patriots coach (will not speak or type his name) receive for this second offense?
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