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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2016 18:16:52 GMT -5
OK, I have enough of personal BULL and name calling! GROW UP or SHUT UP! I agree..... Sometimes you just got to consider the source and the motive$$$$
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Post by span870 on Feb 1, 2016 18:45:01 GMT -5
And 3,2,1
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Post by hunterman on Feb 1, 2016 18:46:19 GMT -5
I agree, someone has to stand up for sportsmen and not let anyone force unfounded views and opinions on everyone else.
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Post by duff on Feb 1, 2016 18:49:11 GMT -5
Blastoff :-) anyone catch crappie today or going tomorrow?
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Post by duff on Feb 1, 2016 18:51:58 GMT -5
Tread lightly guys. This topic gets the best of us time over time. Be respectful of be quiet or we will close it.
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Post by span870 on Feb 1, 2016 19:05:55 GMT -5
Blastoff :-) anyone catch crappie today or going tomorrow? Went walking after the dogs today. To cold to fish, to hot for bunnies. Work informed me I have 200 hours of pto to use by the end of month so I might try a bit of both in the next month.
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Post by duff on Feb 1, 2016 19:48:29 GMT -5
How do you get 200 hrs off in a month? I need that request from my boss! They just tell me too bad so sad, you should have taken the time off
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Post by span870 on Feb 1, 2016 21:47:57 GMT -5
Accrued. Use or lose
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2016 0:24:00 GMT -5
But the overwhelming majority of sportsmen support high fence hunting, doesn't mean everyone can and will do it but they certainly don't want to prevent others from doing it. Can you please provide statistical evidence of this statement? I am not saying false or true but this caught me off guard for sure. Yes let's have some facts and answers to the statement !
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Post by throbak on Feb 2, 2016 8:11:15 GMT -5
We DO NOT !!! What we need to do is Rejuvenate its principles . The Canned ,high fence ,antler hunts And Pay lake trophy fishing Need Stopped they all think alike and pray for the day we must go to them They are profiting not only on our resource The Deer Catfish Pimps are capitalizing on EGOS If the Deer farmers want to sell venison Have at it But the profiting for antlers and trophy fish must be stopped ..
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Post by hunterman on Feb 2, 2016 9:31:18 GMT -5
The hunting preserve industry is absolutely everywhere. Even magazine that are typically anti high fence conducted their own poll showing 65 to 67 percent of sportsmen felt the preserves should be able to operate. That number is really low in reality. If you pick any hunting expo in the states and have two booths with a sign up sheet. The first one says sign here if you would like to see high fence hunting shut down. The second said sign up here for chance to win a free hunt on a high fence preserve. The response is staggering. I know this was done in indy and the result was about 1000 to 1. There are just as many people who oppose crossbows,leasing or high power rifle use. There are always some who will argue but the FACTS are that the majority of sportsmen simply don't care how others hunt. They know why they hunt and get what they want from it and don't let jealousy or anything else interfere. We could take a poll from Peta to get the numbers in opposition some may want but they fail to realize Peta has same opposition to all hunting. You have to get the facts from sportsmen and the sporting industry to get real facts.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 2, 2016 10:36:36 GMT -5
The hunting preserve industry is absolutely everywhere. Even magazine that are typically anti high fence conducted their own poll showing 65 to 67 percent of sportsmen felt the preserves should be able to operate. That number is really low in reality. If you pick any hunting expo in the states and have two booths with a sign up sheet. The first one says sign here if you would like to see high fence hunting shut down. The second said sign up here for chance to win a free hunt on a high fence preserve. The response is staggering. I know this was done in indy and the result was about 1000 to 1. There are just as many people who oppose crossbows,leasing or high power rifle use. There are always some who will argue but the FACTS are that the majority of sportsmen simply don't care how others hunt. They know why they hunt and get what they want from it and don't let jealousy or anything else interfere. We could take a poll from Peta to get the numbers in opposition some may want but they fail to realize Peta has same opposition to all hunting. You have to get the facts from sportsmen and the sporting industry to get real facts. Again links to these statistics please? I think the key though is you said that stat 65%-67% of sportsmen (what in the survey constituted sportsmen or qualified them for responding?)....but all that aside the key is they felt preserves should be able to operate. Operate is a huge difference from being considered hunting or free ranging or have any part to play in the conservation of our free ranging deer herd or any say in hunting regulations in any fashion. Also the reference of the Indy show and the "sign if high fencing should be illegal" or "sign here for a free hunt".....really? I wouldn't sign either one of them, because high fencing operations to me are glorified farms and should be allowed to operate within the laws placed before them...so illegal to exist to me would be ridiculous and encroaching on business. I also wouldn't sign for a free "hunt" because to me that isn't hunting, and I have zero desire to partake.
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Post by jjas on Feb 2, 2016 10:38:54 GMT -5
We DO NOT !!! What we need to do is Rejuvenate its principles . The Canned ,high fence ,antler hunts And Pay lake trophy fishing Need Stopped they all think alike and pray for the day we must go to them They are profiting not only on our resource The Deer Catfish s are capitalizing on EGOS If the Deer farmers want to sell venison Have at it But the profiting for antlers and trophy fish must be stopped .. While I understand and get exactly what you are saying...the reality is there are more people every day who frequent "pay to play" operations..... Pay lakes, bird hunting preserves, indoor/outdoor gun ranges, and low fence deer hunting operations are all places that many have paid for the privilege of frequenting and have gained a certain level of social acceptance over the years. For some, these high fence operations are an acceptable next step towards killing that trophy buck of a lifetime. There may be arguments over how many acres a place should encompass, how high the fence should be, etc, but the reality is whether they are located in Indiana, Texas, Michigan (or any other state) there is a market for these places and as disdainful as many of us find them, I don't see that changing.....
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Post by chubwub on Feb 2, 2016 13:37:15 GMT -5
If you do not believe in canned hunting operations, then I would suggest that you put your money where your mouth is and refrain from hunting places like Big Oaks or other military bases that have 6 plus foot fences around them, stop participating in put n take pheasant/quail/chukar hunts, pay lakes, put n take trout, any bird hunting reserve, running pens for dogs using any creature and using dogs that are trained with running pens or bird reserves, any large ranching operations with 10,000 acre fenced areas and also, please do not fish in any stocked ponds. All fish must be there naturally, otherwise it is canned fishing!!!
I'll tick some people off, but I'm of the opinion that if you own or lease a large enough acreage where you can control most of the animal habitat in an area, how you plant and timber it, where you place your food plots, where you put your stands, who you let in/out, you are basically a canned hunting area, fence or no fence.
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Post by throbak on Feb 2, 2016 13:52:02 GMT -5
The BOK fence is a boundry marker not a animal confinement , Redefining the definition of Hunting To Include Canned hunts not going to work by changing the. MWC Pay lakes are even more deplorable They use Wild Fish If the canned operations could get by with it they would use wild deer Your dealing with people that are only thinking about making money Makinking it sociably acceptable only makes them more money Can't you see that it's about MONEY not our Resources
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Post by hunterman on Feb 2, 2016 14:10:10 GMT -5
The money accusation holds no water. It's like saying all hunters hunt just for the kill, that they only do it to kill something. You can not pre judge everyone's intentions because it's how you personally feel. I know of many places it's as much about carrying on the hunting heritage as it is the money. Please don't conclusively state how others hunt or conduct business, it totally makes your argument unreliable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 14:27:15 GMT -5
If you do not believe in canned hunting operations, then I would suggest that you put your money where your mouth is and refrain from hunting places like Big Oaks or other military bases that have 6 plus foot fences around them, stop participating in put n take pheasant/quail/chukar hunts, pay lakes, put n take trout, any bird hunting reserve, running pens for dogs using any creature and using dogs that are trained with running pens or bird reserves, any large ranching operations with 10,000 acre fenced areas and also, please do not fish in any stocked ponds. All fish must be there naturally, otherwise it is canned fishing!!! I'll tick some people off, but I'm of the opinion that if you own or lease a large enough acreage where you can control most of the animal habitat in an area, how you plant and timber it, where you place your food plots, where you put your stands, who you let in/out, you are basically a canned hunting area, fence or no fence. 2 more cents: a very large percentage (99+%) of the deer in Indiana are canned deer. Brought in from the 50's to 70's.
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Post by chubwub on Feb 2, 2016 14:32:34 GMT -5
^^^ Mind blown. All Indiana deer and turkey are all canned hunting animals.
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Post by tynimiller on Feb 2, 2016 14:33:05 GMT -5
If you do not believe in canned hunting operations, then I would suggest that you put your money where your mouth is and refrain from hunting places like Big Oaks or other military bases that have 6 plus foot fences around them, stop participating in put n take pheasant/quail/chukar hunts, pay lakes, put n take trout, any bird hunting reserve, running pens for dogs using any creature and using dogs that are trained with running pens or bird reserves, any large ranching operations with 10,000 acre fenced areas and also, please do not fish in any stocked ponds. All fish must be there naturally, otherwise it is canned fishing!!! I'll tick some people off, but I'm of the opinion that if you own or lease a large enough acreage where you can control most of the animal habitat in an area, how you plant and timber it, where you place your food plots, where you put your stands, who you let in/out, you are basically a canned hunting area, fence or no fence. 2 more cents: a very large percentage (99+%) of the deer in Indiana are canned deer. Brought in from the 50's to 70's. Hoosier deer are as much canned deer as we are still citizens of England....or the Colts the team of Baltimore....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 15:34:42 GMT -5
2 more cents: a very large percentage (99+%) of the deer in Indiana are canned deer. Brought in from the 50's to 70's. Hoosier deer are as much canned deer as we are still citizens of England....or the Colts the team of Baltimore.... Exactly, all these post and or articles seldom if ever state the definition of canned, fenced, wild. I used to hunt the Jefferson Proving Grounds (Big Oaks). Was this a high fence canned hunting? By the way; I loved watching the jets fly over and make practice runs way back then.
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