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Post by wesb81219 on Dec 16, 2016 20:41:17 GMT -5
We have some spots on public land around my area that a 300 yd shot is feasible. Kingsbury is an old munitions facility and there is a spot in particular that has bunkers that are covered in grass and trees that would be awesome to hunt from and would provide many different approaches to take a shot like that. These bunkers are surrounded by ag fields, woods and a creek runs very near by as well.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 16, 2016 20:57:25 GMT -5
I really like big boy toys, but I think I'll stick with my rifles and black powder ML and slug guns.
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Post by wesb81219 on Dec 16, 2016 22:04:37 GMT -5
If they end up allowing hpr on public some day my. 30-.30 is a 200yd gun and a longer range rifle is much more affordable than a smokeless muzzleloader.
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 17, 2016 8:45:51 GMT -5
M4- Only drawback to shooting sabots is the 10-15 minute wait between shots to let the barrel cool for accuracy groups.
You can get off a second shot without worry, but at the range it is advisable to wait. Barrel heat softens the sabot to the point that the sabot comes apart in the barrel. Ambient air temps have a big influence on how many shots it would take to do that, of course.
I spent the extra money on the adjustable bullet sizer and am shooting sabotless in my Remington ML with Shilen barrel. No waiting no matter what temperature it is.
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 17, 2016 8:47:46 GMT -5
If they end up allowing hpr on public some day my. 30-.30 is a 200yd gun and a longer range rifle is much more affordable than a smokeless muzzleloader. Only your longer range rifle is not legal during muzzleloader season, while the muzzleloader is legal during firearms and muzzleloader season.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 17, 2016 8:49:44 GMT -5
I seldom shoot recreationally anymore, and definitely not with a muzzleloader. Other than the initial load development, it'll never be shot outside of hunting.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 17, 2016 8:52:37 GMT -5
If they end up allowing hpr on public some day my. 30-.30 is a 200yd gun and a longer range rifle is much more affordable than a smokeless muzzleloader. Only your longer range rifle is not legal during muzzleloader season, while the muzzleloader is legal during firearms and muzzleloader season. Do you have to buy two deer licenses? A firearm license for the firearm season and a muzzleloader license for the muzzleloader season?
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 17, 2016 8:55:31 GMT -5
Only your longer range rifle is not legal during muzzleloader season, while the muzzleloader is legal during firearms and muzzleloader season. Do you have to buy two deer licenses? A firearm license for the firearm season and a muzzleloader license for the muzzleloader season? Not with a bundle license. With the exception of farmland owner or lifetime license, yes, you would need separate license now. I only say "now" because you once bought the license according to the weapon. If it was muzzleloader, you hunted two seasons for one price.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 17, 2016 9:02:48 GMT -5
I have a lifetime so I really didn't know for sure.
I think the "bundle" has been a God send to the multi-season Hunter..
Bonus tag sales have really dropped off while the bundle tags have sky rocketed .
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 17, 2016 9:50:17 GMT -5
Luke says that both the Savage 10ML and the Savage centerfire rifle take the same parts to convert to smokeless .45 cal muzzleloader. I may be better off to trade it for a Savage centerfire first instead of canibilizing a .50 cal muzzleloader that many would be happy with in stock form.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 17, 2016 12:30:11 GMT -5
The bundle is a wonderful thing! Hope they never take that away.
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 17, 2016 12:43:43 GMT -5
I have a lifetime so I really didn't know for sure. I think the "bundle" has been a God send to the multi-season Hunter.. Bonus tag sales have really dropped off while the bundle tags have sky rocketed . Only thing is, I think lots of guys will go ahead and fill all three tags even if they don't "need" to because they want to get their money's worth. A big reason for a decline in the herd locally I believe. Like going to buffet, two plates or it's not worth the price!
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 17, 2016 12:46:49 GMT -5
I have a lifetime so I really didn't know for sure. I think the "bundle" has been a God send to the multi-season Hunter.. Bonus tag sales have really dropped off while the bundle tags have sky rocketed . Only thing is, I think lots of guys will go ahead and fill all three tags even if they don't "need" to because they want to get their money's worth. A big reason for a decline in the herd locally I believe. Like going to buffet, two plates or it's not worth the price! I never thought about this. This is the first year that I've filled a bundle. The attraction for me is that I can take them in any season. I actually could have used another one to feed another fella, but probably not going to happen.
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Post by M4Madness on Dec 17, 2016 12:55:28 GMT -5
Only thing is, I think lots of guys will go ahead and fill all three tags even if they don't "need" to because they want to get their money's worth. A big reason for a decline in the herd locally I believe. My thoughts as well. I truly believe that the license bundle is more detrimental to the antlerless herd than bonus antlerless licenses. They may not buy a second bonus antlerless tag, but they'll sure as heck try to fill the last bundle tag. Lol!
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 17, 2016 14:35:24 GMT -5
Only thing is, I think lots of guys will go ahead and fill all three tags even if they don't "need" to because they want to get their money's worth. A big reason for a decline in the herd locally I believe. My thoughts as well. I truly believe that the license bundle is more detrimental to the antlerless herd than bonus antlerless licenses. They may not buy a second bonus antlerless tag, but they'll sure as heck try to fill the last bundle tag. Lol! Even when I knew that I was only going to take one deer, because that was all I could eat, I still bought the bundle. I wanted the flexibility to take it in any season.
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 17, 2016 14:36:45 GMT -5
Only thing is, I think lots of guys will go ahead and fill all three tags even if they don't "need" to because they want to get their money's worth. A big reason for a decline in the herd locally I believe. Like going to buffet, two plates or it's not worth the price! I never thought about this. This is the first year that I've filled a bundle. The attraction for me is that I can take them in any season. I actually could have used another one to feed another fella, but probably not going to happen. Multi-season is supposed to be the big benefit of the bundle. I would like to see it dropped to a buck and one antlerless only for a little cheaper and keep it to cover all seasons.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 17, 2016 14:39:14 GMT -5
I never thought about this. This is the first year that I've filled a bundle. The attraction for me is that I can take them in any season. I actually could have used another one to feed another fella, but probably not going to happen. Multi-season is supposed to be the big benefit of the bundle. I would like to see it dropped to a buck and one antlerless only for a little cheaper. That wouldn't be bad. So do you think the deer population is getting lower? I know I did have just as many if not more bucks around my land. I'd like to thin out those little uglies. Plenty of food for them, but I need more does.
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Post by omegahunter on Dec 17, 2016 16:11:42 GMT -5
Multi-season is supposed to be the big benefit of the bundle. I would like to see it dropped to a buck and one antlerless only for a little cheaper. That wouldn't be bad. So do you think the deer population is getting lower? I know I did have just as many if not more bucks around my land. I'd like to thin out those little uglies. Plenty of food for them, but I need more does. I'm sure population is up other places and some can't tell any difference in other places (probably even in my own county), but in my couple of spots the # of deer I see have continued to drop over the last five years. Started with an EHD hit and is not back yet. Used to run into deer all the time in Glendale FWA while squirrel hunting; seen a handful in the last few years. And bonus tags aren't supposed to be used on State properties. I really think it has a lot to do with the coal mine wiping out so much north of Glendale. Not as much opportunity for those deer to rebound.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Dec 17, 2016 22:48:47 GMT -5
That wouldn't be bad. So do you think the deer population is getting lower? I know I did have just as many if not more bucks around my land. I'd like to thin out those little uglies. Plenty of food for them, but I need more does. I'm sure population is up other places and some can't tell any difference in other places (probably even in my own county), but in my couple of spots the # of deer I see have continued to drop over the last five years. Started with an EHD hit and is not back yet. Used to run into deer all the time in Glendale FWA while squirrel hunting; seen a handful in the last few years. And bonus tags aren't supposed to be used on State properties. I really think it has a lot to do with the coal mine wiping out so much north of Glendale. Not as much opportunity for those deer to rebound. This was a really good answer.
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Post by esshup on Dec 19, 2016 10:27:24 GMT -5
Luke says that both the Savage 10ML and the Savage centerfire rifle take the same parts to convert to smokeless .45 cal muzzleloader. I may be better off to trade it for a Savage centerfire first instead of canibilizing a .50 cal muzzleloader that many would be happy with in stock form. If you do it that way, you will gain the accutrigger and be able to take the bolt out like you can in the ML-I and get a safety that is easier to operate. With the accutrigger ML-II's you have to remove one of the bolts that hold the action in the stock to remove the bolt. That's why guys are adding a 3rd action screw to the ML-II's. I'm pretty sure that if you posted that for sale in the classisfied section that is associated with Dougs (pro boards too, but there is a link to a non-pro boards classified section where advertising muzzleloaders is allowed) you could get enough $$ for it that the purchase of a CF savage to convert would be a push $$ wise.
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