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Post by esshup on Oct 25, 2017 8:46:06 GMT -5
Whole thing is a mess and everyone knows it. The CO have to enforce the rules. Hunters should know and follow the rules and ignorance is not an excuse but it will be successfully uses. The county prosecutors will be the one assessing the penalties and my bet is none would force a guy to even go to court for 1st offence. Those are political spots...they will not want to chew up resources on a blunder by law makers and DNR. I would bet money on that. Hard enough for a LEO write a ticket or make an arrest and get the offender to prosecutition on well established rules. There is at least one CO here that if the hunter had any type of attitude about it at all, the gun would be confiscated and multiple tickets written (if possible). I think that it all depends on the attitude of the hunter too...
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Post by firstwd on Oct 25, 2017 11:29:58 GMT -5
Firstwd So what would that fine/ticket be if they haven't shot a Deer? Just a warning at best? Actually, you don't have to shoot a deer to be hunting a deer. That would all depend on what the officer sees or the offender is dumb enough to admit. Just looking through a scope at a deer or firing a missing shot would qualify as active hunting if an officer sees it.
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Post by Squealy on Oct 25, 2017 12:11:49 GMT -5
I don't see it either.... mainly because this dont effect any masses only a small group of public land hunters that use a rifle. How big is that small group of public land hunters? I suspect that it a MUCH larger group than you think..... There is another KID in my immediate hunting group who will NOT be able to hunt this year because we were counting on a PCR for him. He's a 75-80# 10 year old, hes too little for a shot gun.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Oct 25, 2017 12:19:09 GMT -5
I don't see it either.... mainly because this dont effect any masses only a small group of public land hunters that use a rifle. How big is that small group of public land hunters? I suspect that it a MUCH larger group than you think..... There is another KID in my immediate hunting group who will NOT be able to hunt this year because we were counting on a PCR for him. He's a 75-80# 10 year old, hes too little for a shot gun. Muzzleloader loads can be brought down to Children’s levels, although the distance for the shot drops as well. My son has been shooting a Rossi miniloader since he was 8 years old. No issues with recoil. He killed his first deer with it last season.
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Post by Squealy on Oct 25, 2017 12:22:44 GMT -5
Muzzleloader loads can be brought down to Children’s levels, although the distance for the shot drops as well. My son has been shooting a Rossi miniloader since he was 8 years old. No issues with recoil. He killed his first deer with it last season. I agree 100%, but because this PCR rule has changed, we will all be hunting with our Muzzle-loaders. We don't have any extra Muzzle-loaders laying around.....
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Post by greghopper on Oct 25, 2017 12:34:16 GMT -5
Firstwd So what would that fine/ticket be if they haven't shot a Deer? Just a warning at best? Actually, you don't have to shoot a deer to be hunting a deer. That would all depend on what the officer sees or the offender is dumb enough to admit. Just looking through a scope at a deer or firing a missing shot would qualify as active hunting if an officer sees it. You got a IC code for this violation? Plase post it so we all can read it.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 25, 2017 12:47:49 GMT -5
I agree 100%, but because this PCR rule has changed, we will all be hunting with our Muzzle-loaders. We don't have any extra Muzzle-loaders laying around..... You interested in borrowing a gun for your son? I live in Plainfield.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 25, 2017 13:02:21 GMT -5
A 20 gauge, especially with a heavier gun like a pump, with reduced recoil slugs is what I think I'd set a kid up with this year. I would think it would be pretty easy to borrow one, especially if you leave your PCR as collateral.
I do think it's ridiculous, but it shouldn't keep anyone that wants to from hunting this year.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 25, 2017 15:06:24 GMT -5
Actually, you don't have to shoot a deer to be hunting a deer. That would all depend on what the officer sees or the offender is dumb enough to admit. Just looking through a scope at a deer or firing a missing shot would qualify as active hunting if an officer sees it. You got a IC code for this violation? Plase post it so we all can read it. No. Read the key definitions of Hunt and Take on page 6 of the E-regs. I can't post pictures and can't seem to figure out how to copy and paste on here from my phone.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 25, 2017 15:31:38 GMT -5
You got a IC code for this violation? Plase post it so we all can read it. No. Read the key definitions of Hunt and Take on page 6 of the E-regs. I can't post pictures and can't seem to figure out how to copy and paste on here from my phone. So your saying the IC code posted in this thread(page 15)applies even if you haven't shot a deer and your just deer hunting? That could be interesting..... at Best.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 25, 2017 18:43:32 GMT -5
No. Read the key definitions of Hunt and Take on page 6 of the E-regs. I can't post pictures and can't seem to figure out how to copy and paste on here from my phone. So your saying the IC code posted in this thread(page 15)applies even if you haven't shot a deer and your just deer hunting? That could be interesting..... at Best. Like everything else, it's not what you know it's what you can prove. Probably why that baiting case took three years.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 25, 2017 18:59:33 GMT -5
You didn't answer the question.... not sure what baiting has in common with this.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 25, 2017 19:26:03 GMT -5
IC 14-22-2-8Deer hunting; permitted firearms; required report Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a hunting season beginning after June 30, 2016, and ending before January 1, 2020. (b) A hunter may use a rifle during the firearms season to hunt deer subject to the following: (1) The use of a rifle is permitted only on privately owned land.(2) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) inches. (3) The rifle must be chambered for a cartridge that fires a bullet that is two hundred forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or larger. (4) The rifle must fire a cartridge that has a minimum case length of one and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches, but is no longer than three (3) inches. (5) A hunter may not possess more than ten (10) cartridges for the rifle while hunting deer under this section.(6) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by the department. (c) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is unlawful. (d) The department shall report on the impact of the use of rifles to hunt deer under this section to the governor and, in an electronic format under IC 5-14-6, the general assembly before February 15, 2020. (e) This section expires June 30, 2020. As added by P.L.110-2016, SEC.1. Amended by P.L.195-2017, SEC.7. Yes. Subsection "b" specifies hunt, not kill.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 25, 2017 19:32:14 GMT -5
That's not the IC code in question.... BNM.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 25, 2017 20:49:40 GMT -5
That's not the IC code in question.... BNM. BNM? What code do you speak of?
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Post by greghopper on Oct 25, 2017 21:16:30 GMT -5
Page 15 in this thread as I already stated.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 25, 2017 21:30:45 GMT -5
You don't have to kill an animal to be hunting or cited for hunting illegally. All the hunting laws are in effect. No clue what any fine for any hunting violation ticket would actually end up being.
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Post by subzero350 on Oct 25, 2017 22:22:51 GMT -5
There is another KID in my immediate hunting group who will NOT be able to hunt this year because we were counting on a PCR for him. He's a 75-80# 10 year old, hes too little for a shot gun. Is he "too little" for a .410 shotgun?
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Post by subzero350 on Oct 25, 2017 22:33:31 GMT -5
You don't have to kill an animal to be hunting or cited for hunting illegally. All the hunting laws are in effect. No clue what any fine for any hunting violation ticket would actually end up being. I can't believe people are so upset about the legislative error inadvertently banning PCR's on public land they are willing to break the law out of sheer defiance and anger. That's just dumb. I built an AR chambered in 7.62x39 specifically to hunt deer with once I learned it would be legal (on private property). If the legislature screwed up and inadvertently banned my rifle for deer hunting this year, yes - it would leave a sour taste in my mouth; but I would dust off the old 12ga slug gun and hunt deer with it this season so I didn't have to miss out. But I sure as heck wouldn't be out in the field with illegal equipment risking my clean record (and hard earned money) just so I could flip the state the bird in defiance. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by duff on Oct 26, 2017 3:32:06 GMT -5
I am not seeing anyone claiming they will break the rules on purpose. Lots of theory and hypothetical discussions.
But I agree most of us will dust off the old guns and follow the rules.
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