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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 6, 2014 16:30:24 GMT -5
I know COs can enforce non-hunting laws. I've now asked the CO on the forum if he would issue tickets and under what circumstances. We'll see what he says.
As used in relevant Indiana Code, "exert control over property" means to obtain, take, carry, drive, lead away, conceal, abandon, sell, convey, encumber, or possess property, or to secure, transfer, or extend a right to property.
I know I'm not a lawyer, and I'm guessing the vast majority of COs are not either, but IMHO, sitting in someone else's stand would not meet the defintion given above, assuming the person vacated the stand when asked.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 6, 2014 12:54:11 GMT -5
Here is the CO's answer: "It would have to be used by someone the owner gave permission to. Just because it is placed on public land, legally and within all the regulations of statute and administrative rules, doesn't give someone the authority to exert unauthorized control over the item. This is not a hunting statute but would fall under conversion or exerting unauthorized control over property that belongs to another. If you are in the stand, you have pretty much taken control."
Based on the response, apparently there is no hunting regulation that pertains to the situation. I've asked the CO another question regarding the circumstances under which a CO could or would issue a ticket.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 6, 2014 12:47:30 GMT -5
Thanks for answering my question.
To put a different light on the question, I'd like to know under what circumstances a CO could or would issue a ticket to a person that was sitting in a stand on public land owned by another hunter.
Would a ticket be issued if the CO found the hunter in the stand, or, would a ticket only be issued if the hunter did not leave the stand at the request of the owner?
Thanks Again!
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 2, 2014 9:33:30 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see if the CO that addresses questions on this forum is consistent with what that CO told you. Not saying it's right, but I think that's what he'll say.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 2, 2014 8:37:31 GMT -5
So if you typically hunt a specific area and there is already a vehicle or two do you go running in because you put your stand there or do you head down to the next spot? I agree with Jack on this, if you put a stand up and expect no one will use them or avoid "your" area you are delusional. Go ahead and ruin your hunt, I don't have time to ruin my hunt so I find the next spot. To listen to you guys if you got to your stand and a guy was ten feet away in his climber who wins... The guy in the climber .. A hung stand does not reserve the spot... If I walked in and someone was in my stand I'd ask them politely to get down and move on. The decent thing for them to do would be to comply. If they didn't id go hunt elsewhere but would be back the next day to drop the stand. They would not hunt it a second time. The further back in that you walk to your stand the less likely anyone will be in it. Woody, do you know the rule/reg on this? On public land, is it lawful to sit in a properly hung stand that is not your own?
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 1, 2014 15:37:32 GMT -5
Dunno. I would hope the guy would just get out of the stand and move on. I can't imagine someone refusing to get down if the owner wanted to pull the stand.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 1, 2014 15:26:14 GMT -5
Neither.
I have stands in Michigan on public ground, and I know the regs there allow anyone to use stands, first come, first served.
I also have a stand in Indiana on private land, so i'm not concerned there. Reading the Michigan hunting digest got me wondering about the law in IN.
Based on what has been written in this thread so far, there is no concensus on what the IN regs allow.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 1, 2014 14:24:59 GMT -5
Would you feel the same way if another hunter set up a bunch of stands in an attempt to lay claim to a large area? Remember, this discussion is limited to public land. Nobody has more right to a spot than another. I think we all would try to be considerate of others, but unless I see orange,I'm going to hunt where I think I'll see deer. I won't avoid an area because there's already a stand there. I am in agreement BUT.......such is NOT sitting in another's STAND. Same area when they are NOT hunting on public ground is one thing. Sitting in another's stand is entirely a different matter, IMO. If accurate I know a quick cure. Don't use a stand. God Bless I was referring to the post which indicated it was simply good ethics to "steer clear" of another hunter's set-up. In that context, I won't abandon the place I want to hunt, just because I see a stand close by. If there's a hunter in the stand, I'll give him/her the consideration I would want to be given. Hopefully, the CO will answer my post soon. So far in this thread, we've heard that the stand cannot be used by others, and we've heard that it's first-come, first-served. Interesting conversation.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 1, 2014 13:14:52 GMT -5
Would you feel the same way if another hunter set up a bunch of stands in an attempt to lay claim to a large area? Remember, this discussion is limited to public land. Nobody has more right to a spot than another. I think we all would try to be considerate of others, but unless I see orange,I'm going to hunt where I think I'll see deer. I won't avoid an area because there's already a stand there.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 1, 2014 12:01:41 GMT -5
The reason I'm asking is because I don't see it stated one way or the other in the hunting digest.
FYI - Michigan's hunting digest clearly states that you cannot expect exclusive use of your stand on public land.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 1, 2014 11:10:14 GMT -5
I put this in the Ask the CO Forum as well, but figured I'd get some opinions here.
Assuming a treestand is placed on public hunting land according to the rules, is the stand open to anyone who wants to use it (first one to get there), or, can it only be used by the owner?
Thanks.
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 1, 2014 10:50:16 GMT -5
Assuming a treestand is placed on public hunting land according to the rules, is the stand open to anyone who wants to use it (first one to get there), or, can it only be used by the owner? Thanks.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 30, 2014 7:21:23 GMT -5
Has anyone tried the new Federal ML bullet? They call it B.O.R. Lok or something like that. Full bore size copper bullet (50 cal, 270 gr) with a polymer cup that moves forward, slides over a rear portion of the bullet, which makes it increase in diameter to engage the rifling. Seems like an interesting system, but they are pricey from what I hear. Any reports?
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 26, 2014 7:14:19 GMT -5
Headline says "hunting", but it's really a cull operation. Typical media. Folks will stopreading t the headline and get all riled up.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 24, 2014 11:26:20 GMT -5
Fixed your post: I probably use the words entitlement mentality all too often but unfortunately it usually fits. Want something without working for it or earning it. We aren't owed anything in this life other than a fair chance at success and a governemnt-issued cell phone. After that its up to us.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 19, 2014 7:50:37 GMT -5
Over 25 years ago, I was following a good track in the snow. Looked up ahead and saw another hunter coming my way on the same track. No matter what I said, I could not convince him that he was actually back-tracking.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 18, 2014 7:55:37 GMT -5
I own a 30/06, but it currently is not wearing a scope. I also own a Marlin 1895 in 45/70 which has a Williams peep sight. And then there's the 358 Hoosier with a 3x9 variable. I do want to hunt some with the Marlin, but the Hoosier gets the nod the first part of the gun season.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 12, 2014 13:40:40 GMT -5
That's funny. I heard essentially the same thing from the owner of a gun store near me a few years ago when 44 Mag became legal in rifles. The guy told me he was against it because there would be all kinds of idiots out there firing 10 shots at every deer they saw. Can't say I've heard that kind of shooting, even on opening day.
I don't think the rifle that is used changes the number of idiots in the woods.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 12, 2014 7:27:58 GMT -5
In muzzleloaders, I've predominantly shot Pyrodex RS. I have shot a little BP, but saw no advantage in it. I know you can get different opinions, but I recall reading some study (probably done by the maker of Pyrodex) showing pressure curves. They graphed pressure curves from 100 "shots" of Pyrodex, and did the same for BP. The Pyrodex was much more consistent. Of course, there are any number of ways to make that happen.
Anyway, when loaded consistently, being careful to push the bullet down and firmly compress the powder charge, Pyrodex provides all the power and accuracy I need. Some day I'll try BH 209.
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Post by oldhoyt on Sept 12, 2014 7:11:01 GMT -5
I hear goat is very popular in parts of KY. I'd actually like to try it if it were prepared by someone that knew what they were doing.
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