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Post by swilk on Jul 13, 2014 13:21:02 GMT -5
Would a Christian, who claims another is not a Christian without proof, still be considered a Christian? Serious question. Just trying to get a hold on what, other than hate, is enough to not be one any longer. Would a man, who claims one is a Christian without proof, still be considered a man? You have no proof Obama is a Christian.
" A man shall be known be the fruits of his labor." If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck..probably a duck.
There is no proof Christ rose..... so is there really such thing as Christianity? I don't care if he is Christian or anything else.....the man says he is so that is good enough for me. Its some of the other so called Christians that say he isn't.
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Post by ridgerunner on Jul 13, 2014 13:32:24 GMT -5
So if you disagree Obama is Christian just because he says so.. that nullifies your salvation and you not a Christian anymore? Wow! Who'd of known. I guess in your World if a man claims to be a Christian he has to agree with anything another man says, just because he said it... or he is not a Christian anymore. Interesting.
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Post by swilk on Jul 13, 2014 13:38:18 GMT -5
Who said that?? Certainly was not me.
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Post by swilk on Jul 13, 2014 13:39:40 GMT -5
If we are going to play the "other guy never said it but I'm gonna pretend he did game" just let me know.
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Post by swilk on Jul 13, 2014 13:42:08 GMT -5
Unless of course it was just an honest reading comprehension problem....if that's the case I will be happy to simplify what I am saying.
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Post by swilk on Jul 13, 2014 13:45:06 GMT -5
And the irony of what you said is actually pretty funny.....disagree with what a man say and he is not a Christian.... that is kind of what is happening when folks call him a Muslim or not a Christian.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 13, 2014 14:18:14 GMT -5
Would a man, who claims one is a Christian without proof, still be considered a man? You have no proof Obama is a Christian.
" A man shall be known be the fruits of his labor." If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck..probably a duck.
There is no proof Christ rose..... so is there really such thing as Christianity? I don't care if he is Christian or anything else.....the man says he is so that is good enough for me. Its some of the other so called Christians that say he isn't. See.... christianity.about.com/od/easter/a/7-Proofs-Of-The-Resurrection.htmLots of witnesses....
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 13, 2014 14:20:30 GMT -5
I'll take him at his word.
This is a bit different from the "hate in the heart".
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Post by swilk on Jul 13, 2014 15:08:40 GMT -5
Hate in the heart is different than a person saying they hate another person. At least it is IMO.
And no disrespect but my level of "credible witnesses" or "prood" might be different than yours on the risen thing.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 14, 2014 6:58:47 GMT -5
Hate in the heart is different than a person saying they hate another person. At least it is IMO. And no disrespect but my level of "credible witnesses" or "prood" might be different than yours on the risen thing. We agree to disagree on the hate thing. As I stated earlier I would not want to face God on judgement day with hate in my heart for anyone. 100s of people saw Jesus die on the cross and carried to the tomb. 100s of people saw Him after His resurrection. The site I referenced gives some pretty good credible facts. Whether one wants to believe them or not is totally up to them. God did give us free will. Christians believe that there is only one way to Heaven and that is through the saving power of Jesus Christ. Some believe that all one has to do is be a good person and do good things and God will accept them. Michael Bloomberg is one such person that believes that he can just waltz right into Heaven. In my opinion, he is in for a rude awakening when he gets there. If that was true then the questions of that would be - Just how good does a person have to be? Just how many good deeds does that person have to perform in their lifetime? Where in the Bible does it answer those questions? .
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jul 14, 2014 12:45:20 GMT -5
Hate in the heart is different than a person saying they hate another person. At least it is IMO. And no disrespect but my level of "credible witnesses" or "prood" might be different than yours on the risen thing. If that was true then the questions of that would be - Just how good does a person have to be? Just how many good deeds does that person have to perform in their lifetime? Where in the Bible does it answer those questions? Another question that I would ask is why did Jesus have to suffer and die if we could do it ourselves? Yes, hundreds saw him ascend into heaven; this would be good enough for any court in our land. Even greater than this for analytically minded people, it's statistically impossible for Jesus to have completed even half of all the prophetic passages foretold of His coming and death many hundreds of years earlier by chance. He was and is the one true savior to the world. However, as Woody says, we all have free will to choose. It's so sad that only a small fraction will accept God's gift to the world.
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Post by swilk on Jul 14, 2014 13:07:11 GMT -5
So you are of the opinion Christ (and the whole risen thing) could be proven in court to be real?
Wow! Really??
I assume you feel the same about all Gods? From Allah to the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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Post by ridgerunner on Jul 14, 2014 14:59:33 GMT -5
I would say the Christians who call another Christian a Muslim, just because they do not like the man or his politics, are not Christians. If we are really going to weed out the members by their own actions the club is going to shrink considerably. May not be any members left at all. This is what you said...your words.
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Post by ridgerunner on Jul 14, 2014 15:00:48 GMT -5
Blasphemy is the only unforgivable sin. I'd watch what I say.
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Post by ridgerunner on Jul 14, 2014 15:02:58 GMT -5
the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God
b : the act of claiming the attributes of deity
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: irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable
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Post by swilk on Jul 14, 2014 15:18:49 GMT -5
What you quoted is what I said .... what you originally said was a poor paraphrase that was not exactly what I intended. Seems it might have been a slight comprehension problem ..... How can one Christian call another Christina a non-Christian without he, himself, committing a sin? Arent you trying to take the decision out of Gods hands? What basis, other than politics, would a man have for saying Obama is not a Christian? He says he is .... so isnt that between him and God?
Seems there are a lot of men who try and make decisions that only God can make ..... I have a feeling there are going to be many disappointed on their day of judgement.
Thanks for the warning but it really is not necessary.
BTW ... the irony from earlier still stands.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jul 14, 2014 18:42:49 GMT -5
So you are of the opinion Christ (and the whole risen thing) could be proven in court to be real? Wow! Really?? I assume you feel the same about all Gods? From Allah to the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Insurance companies, casinos and many bean-counter companies totally depend on statistics to make trillions of dollars. They know the truth of this mathematical science and use it for their gain. Where I work, very few decisions are made without statistical data. So yes, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a mathematical fact. I do not expect you to understand any of this. How can a blind man know colors? Jesus said and Woody mentioned, narrow is the way and few will enter in. The world will reject Him as you do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:52:51 GMT -5
You simply can't apply logic to faith. To do so only leads one to step on toes and come off sounding like a smug #*%€£+.
1. Trying to undermine peoples' faith normally only strengthens it (that's an unexplainable thing about faith)
2. Trying to undermine someone's faith is a pretty uncool thing to do (if you stop and think about it).
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 14, 2014 19:35:13 GMT -5
500 witnesses to call to the stand would make a very powerful statement would it not?
Of course the 500 witnesses are not alive today, but it is well documented in the Bible.. IF you believe in the Bible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:45:46 GMT -5
Here is a pretty honest look at the subject of the evidence for the resurrection of Christ. Granted, it's from a Christian's perspective, but it does look at both sides of the argument. I've always thought that the many eyewitnesses to the risen Christ (as from the biblical record) would have had to have been nuts to risk their lives to swear to what they saw if they hadn't really seen it...but apparently did so anyway. carm.org/there-are-no-non-biblical-accounts-resurrection
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